[mrerick]

You need a minimum level of participation before the PM system is acceptable. You're well on your way there.

I also completed a career at IBM. It was an interesting place to work.

My second career was ten years in broadcast television, so it seems that the elephant can dance...

As to the Single Action pistols, I have no inside information, but expect that the Italian fascination with the American West drove the initial interest there in production of the guns by two competing manufacturers (Uberti and Pietta) that are very good at it. I have a Cimmaron (Uberti manufactured) Colt reproduction that is magnificent. Looking at that competition, the amount of hand work involved in production, the cost of labor and the market which is already occupied at the higher and low ends of price points by competent manufacturers, it doesn't surprise me that the MBAs at S&W have taken the path they took.,

Imagine the cost of production of a M&P polymer frame pistol versus an Italian made single action revolver. Consider the hourly labor costs. Consider Ruger's frame production metal fabrication (Pine Tree castings - investment casting) versus forging costs. Consider the potential market and then the existing competition...

I doubt I'd attempt to enter that specialized marketplace.

 

[1av8r]

I don't remember the movie, but a seasoned female employee had to show the young college graduate the ropes in their office. She was being just a bit too basic when the young man became exaspirated and informed her that he did have an MBA. Without blinking an eye she came back with, "That's OK. I'll talk slower."

 

[PeteB]

They did . A version of the m14 was made in SA only . From what I've read , I can't remember if it was S&W or another company , made a kit to convert m14's to SAO . That would be a shooter ! I have 2 , and they both are deadly to a piece of paper .

S&W sold a kit to convert any K-frame (not including K22) to SA. Not sure how popular it was, but at one time they were being sold at gun shows for very little. People sometimes bought them for the target trigger.

 

[guntha45]

Why didn't International make cars? Why didn't Winchester or Marlin have a line of revolvers? Because it wasn't their niche. S&W's niche was their double action revolvers, and they were VERY good at it!

 

[ussmanlovede36]

Smith & wesson made what they called the model 2000 Schofield SA (45 s&w). I like them and was tempted to buy one but I found it suspect thinking it was really a Uberti with the S&W name on it. I just couldn't accept that S&W tooled up to build them and then dropped it after a short run. I just couldn't find proof that S&W built them.

 

[59dexta]

Why didn't International make cars? Why didn't Winchester or Marlin have a line of revolvers? Because it wasn't their niche. S&W's niche was their double action revolvers, and they were VERY good at it!

1883 colt developed the colt Burgess lever action rifle to compete with Winchester's model 73. Sales were lack luster, at the same time Winchester was reported to be working on a revolver. It not verified but thought that Colt and Winchester had a gentleman's agreement colt with revolvers Winchester long guns

 

[S197]

I'd have thought that S&W would want to compete with Ruger with modern SA revolvers, but no. Even the Italians have figured out how to take a successful whack at SA's. Jeez S&W even went after the burgeoning 1911 market!

Anyone have insider or published info on the subject?

Single action? Smith Wesson did make single action revolvers.

 

[toolite]

Marlin did make revolvers.

 

[guntha45]

Marlin did make revolvers.

And Smith and Wesson made shotguns and rifles. Is that what they are known for?

 

[Wiregrassguy]

S &W made golf clubs...jes sayin'

 

[guntha45]

Smith & wesson made what they called the model 2000 Schofield SA (45 s&w). I like them and was tempted to buy one but I found it suspect thinking it was really a Uberti with the S&W name on it. I just couldn't accept that S&W tooled up to build them and then dropped it after a short run. I just couldn't find proof that S&W built them.

They also made the original Schofields and any number of small single action rimfires in a number of calibers starting around the time of the Civil War. They made lots of single action, just not since WWII.

 

[toolite]

And Smith and Wesson made shotguns and rifles. Is that what they are known for?

Marlin made revolvers before they made long guns!
So to Marlin collectors they are "known for" that!

 

[guntha45]

Marlin made revolvers before they made long guns!
So to Marlin collectors they are "known for" that!

About as well known to the general pubilc as the first handguns designed by S&W, lever actions-

 

[Wiregrassguy]

Ooops.

 

[cloan11]

As a 30yr. IBM'er saw development of business models come and go. In early 90's MBA's recruited. One incident close to me...new MBA was placed with me to 'show the ropes' of practical applications. Sat with me six weeks then on his own. Bout 2yrs. later he was my manager. Me with 26yrs. and he with 2yrs. Talk about feeling dumb! Guess he was the genius i never saw?

Only did 5 yrs with big blue and was a Sr Program Mgr and I have an MBA. 5 mgrs in 5 yrs, had one for almost two yrs till she retired and was by far the best manager I ever had. The 29yr old arrogant, MBA, sexual intellect (aka "effin know it all" and thought he knew more than everyone else too) that took her place had me, after just 6 months, go over his head and volunteer to take a layoff/buyout. Got it and got the craziest best package ever and was the best career move I ever made.

 

[Hair Trigger]

Sigh, unfortunately UR mostly right, SA are a bit more of a niche than DA/SA, but Ruger developed the BIG SA pistols after S&W made the registered magnums as did Freedom Arms and much later the BFR from Magnum Research did also and those certainly are not used in SASS type events.

And those big SA guns are Western style frames and not the modern style. There's a place for both, but I suppose S&W decided to let Ruger, Colt and Freedom, et al, have at it with the SA revolvers; I don't think it has damaged their business plan too much over the years.

 

[toolite]

About as well known to the general pubilc as the first handguns designed by S&W, lever actions-
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Yeah, Walter Hunt designed the "Volcanic" as well as the ammunition it used.
It's my opinion "the general public" wouldn't be interested in knowing any history discussed on this forum.
Have a great day!

 

[guntha45]

Yeah, Walter Hunt designed the "Volcanic" as well as the ammunition it used.
It's my opinion "the general public" wouldn't be interested in knowing any history discussed on this forum.
Have a great day!

True, the general public isn't interested in much, unless it's sports or the cavorting of immoral celebrities.

 

[S197]

They also made the original Schofields and any number of small single action rimfires in a number of calibers starting around the time of the Civil War. They made lots of single action, just not since WWII.

1960-1982 Smith wesson released a small number of factory SAO Model 14’s

 

[S197]

Here is a sold factory model 14-3 SA

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/76/3495/smith-wesson-model-143-single-action-revolver