I was at the range trying out some 38 loads this morning .......... shot at 15 yards from a rest. I loaded some 158 gr. lrnfp ( lyman 358665 ) over 4.0 to 4.3 gr. of unique. I loaded 10 each at 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 gns. All charges were weighed so they were as near as possible to the charge weight as my scales allow. Every group I shot had four holes pretty close to the POA and one way over there away from the group. 4.0 and 4.3 yielded the tightest groups, but still had one hole outta the 5 shots quite a bit off from the others.