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I bought my .380 EZ about 2 years ago and didn't shoot it an awful lot for about the first year, but enough to write a couple comprehensive reviews. My version is the one without the manual thumb safety. (Yes, they all have the grip safety.) I kept reading about the last round in the magazine stovepiping, but mine hadn't done that.

WELL, guess what?

The gun is so much fun to shoot that I starting using it more regularly and: It started! At first it was 2 of my 6 magazines, but not every time. The time before last I shot all 6 magazines with no problems. This past range trip two of the magazines did the stovepipe thing again, and I only shot 3 of the 6 because I had shot another couple guns first and we ran out of time due to someone waiting to use the range.

I read so much about the problem being the weak magazine springs, and thought about calling S&W to see if they would send me new springs BUT I also read that some people found the new springs to have the same results. Some of the springs have the yellow paint on the bottom 1/3 and some have no paint. That does not seem to affect how they work/don't work.

Most of us suspect that in S&W's desire to make a truly EZ gun, they designed springs that are just plain too weak and flimsy. HEY FOLKS, UpLula loaders are cheap - give us some good, long lasting springs, will ya???

What to do? Some people did things like inserting a dummy round at the bottom below the spring, reducing the capacity by one. That's not what I want! Someone made inserts to go into the hollow follower, thus compressing the spring somewhat, but that's not what I want to do either, especially since I don't have "someone" to make precision fit inserts.

And some more people said they stretched the springs and that helped, at least for a while: SO, I asked my dearly beloved to stretch the springs for me. The first one he S--T-R--E--T--C--H--E--D way, way out. YIKES! I got it back in the magazine but it's a tight fit. How it will work, or IF it will work remains to be seen. I'm guessing I won't be able to load all 8 rounds in that one now. Being careful, he stretched the next two 'maybe the right amount' to provide more tension but not too much. I hope.

Now I have to wait until I can get back to the range and shoot all 6 magazines to see what happens. Yes, I have them numbered. There are now 3 in factory condition, 2 slightly stretched and one really tight. They are all totally clean inside.

Knowing that it is possible that all 6 will work just fine for one or two range trips, I will report back when I have something to report. With what has happened to the price of ammo, I am not going to go out and shoot 200 or 300 rounds just for testing purposes! This is not a carry gun for me, so I can take the time needed to pursue a solution.

I also found an on line parts store that sells replacement springs for $6 each, but I suspect they would be the identical ones that came in the magazines in the first place.

At this point I'm venting my frustrations with a gun that in all other ways is so very much fun to shoot. And I'm also trying to get one more gun thread on the forum instead of more political and hate stuff.
 

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Hey Shooter granny did you try wolff

That place has saved a few problem guns of mine from early sale. Their tech support is great but it may take a day for them to get to you through email but if they have mag springs for your gun .. buy them! .. not very expensive and I find always first rate. Whenever I decide I am goin gto keep a semi auto I buy three back up mag springs from them just to have around
 

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Hey Shooter granny did you try wolff

That place has saved a few problem guns of mine from early sale. Their tech support is great but it may take a day for them to get to you through email but if they have mag springs for your gun .. buy them! .. not very expensive and I find always first rate. Whenever I decide I am going to keep a semi auto I buy three back up mag springs from them just to have around
I looked at the Wolff web site and they do not list any .380 magazine springs for any S&W guns. I suppose I could whip off an email to them. Thanks for the suggestion. Where I found the factory springs was on Midwest Gun Works. AND I just went back to that page and they are sold out. Bummer, big time.
 

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I looked at the Wolff web site and they do not list any .380 magazine springs for any S&W guns. I suppose I could whip off an email to them. Thanks for the suggestion. Where I found the factory springs was on Midwest Gun Works. AND I just went back to that page and they are sold out. Bummer, big time.
Try an email. Can't hurt and they are usually +5 and great quality. Sometimes you get lucky and the techies know something the listings don't show.
 

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Try an email. Can't hurt and they are usually +5 and great quality. Sometimes you get lucky and the techies know something the listings don't show.
OK. I sent an email. We'll see what happens next, if anything. I told them that I think that there would be a good market for sturdier springs for those magazines if the word got out, and that I would do all I could to get the word out if they will make them.

EDITED TO ADD: I got a prompt reply from Wolff......here it is
We currently do not offer the 380 EZ magazine spring, but we have had a large number of requests for the spring and we are going to likely be developing a stronger spring sometime this year. Unfortunately with the chaos 2020 has brought, our new production schedule is way behind due to increased demand on our current products and staff adjustments. We will post them on the website and send a newsletter out when they are available.
 

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Hey Shooter granny did you try wolff

That place has saved a few problem guns of mine from early sale. Their tech support is great but it may take a day for them to get to you through email but if they have mag springs for your gun .. buy them! .. not very expensive and I find always first rate. Whenever I decide I am goin gto keep a semi auto I buy three back up mag springs from them just to have around
I have the same gun and nothing listed for the .380EZ. I have, however. Asked if the springs for S&W M&P Shield 9mm are swappable. I will post here when they respond. Wolff springs are about the best there are, Ive heard.
 

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Ginny, Stretching the spring out to the "max" won't have any affect on being to be able to get the full 8 rounds in the mag. The springs are designed to collapse to a certain point, and making it longer by stretching has no real effect. In reality he has weakened the spring but extending it beyond it's design. Much like bending a paperclip, he has twisted the hinge curve surface of the metal past the design.
I lived up in Michigan, and worked as an engineering assistant for Saginaw Steering Gear (Delphi) for around 5 years. Steering Gear manufacturers their own springs because outside vendors couldn't get the spring tensions right. I discussed the design and manufacturing process about the springs a great length with a couple of engineers that managed the spring lines. They taught me a great deal about them.

One thing I was taught that most don't understand is that springs are better kept under tension, than not.
To cast a couple examples look at the springs in a cars suspension system. They are always loaded under stress, and the spring tensioners for the serpentine belts are always kept under load as well. That's by design, and not by happenstance. So, it's better to keep your mags loaded as much as possible to keep the springs under tension to get them to last their longest.

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I bought my wife a new 380EZ about a year ago. First trip to the range and about five or six times in 50 rounds, the last round would hit the top of the barrel hood and jam the slide open and on one occasion, the last bullet in the mag flew completely out of the top of the slide and landed on the ground. On all of the occasions, it was always on the last round in the mag when it malfunctioned. Went back to Bass Pro Shop where I purchased it new and a salesperson gave me a new mag off of the rack to try. Same results as before with the new mag; no improvement. I read an article about another shooter having the same exact problem as my wife's gun. He put in new springs and the problem continued. He then scratched the top of the follower in the magazine, roughing it up with a nail. He said problem solved and his gun had no other incidents of malfunctions. I did the same with both of the magazInes for my wife's pistol, and in over 300 rounds of ammo so far, the problem has never surfaced again. It has been flawless since then.
 

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I bought my wife a new 380EZ about a year ago. First trip to the range and about five or six times in 50 rounds, the last round would hit the top of the barrel hood and jam the slide open and on one occasion, the last bullet in the mag flew completely out of the top of the slide and landed on the ground. On all of the occasions, it was always on the last round in the mag when it malfunctioned. Went back to Bass Pro Shop where I purchased it new and a salesperson gave me a new mag off of the rack to try. Same results as before with the new mag; no improvement. I read an article about another shooter having the same exact problem as my wife's gun. He put in new springs and the problem continued. He then scratched the top of the follower in the magazine, roughing it up with a nail. He said problem solved and his gun had no other incidents of malfunctions. I did the same with both of the magazInes for my wife's pistol, and in over 300 rounds of ammo so far, the problem has never surfaced again. It has been flawless since then.
Is there any way to get a photo of what you did to the follower? Looking at the scratches you did might give somebody the info to resolve their problems too.
 

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Ginny, Stretching the spring out to the "max" won't have any affect on being to be able to get the full 8 rounds in the mag. ....................
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Gregory, I'm not sure what you meant about being able to get the full 8 rounds in the magazine. I have not read or heard that as any kind of issue. The issue seems to be that the magazine springs seem to be too weak and in almost all cases, it is the last round in the magazine that stove pipes or jams in other ways.

I found that stretching the mag springs helped for a while, but then the gun started stove piping again on the last round. As I've said before, it's a range toy because I would not trust it for SD, even if I did the "scratch up" the followers or something else.

Perhaps you misunderstood my long ago post about not being able to insert a magazine when there is a round in the chamber, which I would require in a carry gun.

It is fun to shoot though, and it is one of the best training guns to teach HIGH AND TIGHT grip, plus not relaxing your grip if/when shooting on the move -- with that stupid upside down grip safety.

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I bought my wife a new 380EZ about a year ago. First trip to the range and about five or six times in 50 rounds, the last round would hit the top of the barrel hood and jam the slide open and on one occasion, the last bullet in the mag flew completely out of the top of the slide and landed on the ground. On all of the occasions, it was always on the last round in the mag when it malfunctioned. Went back to Bass Pro Shop where I purchased it new and a salesperson gave me a new mag off of the rack to try. Same results as before with the new mag; no improvement. I read an article about another shooter having the same exact problem as my wife's gun. He put in new springs and the problem continued. He then scratched the top of the follower in the magazine, roughing it up with a nail. He said problem solved and his gun had no other incidents of malfunctions. I did the same with both of the magazInes for my wife's pistol, and in over 300 rounds of ammo so far, the problem has never surfaced again. It has been flawless since then.

Cool idea! I guess it's like the bump on 1911 followers. Holds that last one in place. ;)
 
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