Don't give up yet saxon..you'll probobly run up on one when ya least expect it. I tell ya, I've bought a few guns over the internet, and you've really gotta pay attention and buy em right cause they can rack up a lot of extra dough. You've gotta pay for the gun, then pay for the shipping, then pay the dealers transfer fee...sometimes on both sides. You really need a heck of a deal on one by the time you add in everything else. Good luck in your search.