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Hello,

I have a question about Starline Brass, specifically for the S&W 500 if anybody reloads for that. First order of new brass, so bear with me. I got some new brass, and about a 1/5 of the brass has little dents. I've already asked around, and got some mixed opinions on if it's normal/safe. Ultimately I was told to ask their support.

I know Starline is often regarded as the holy grail.... I have to say their support has left me with a sour taste in my mouth though. Not too friendly or helpful. They essentially said it's not uncommon for larger cases to have dents. They also didn't reply to my last email, so my confidence is lacking right now.

So here I am. Still a little confused, and hoping somebody here has experience with S&W 500 Starline brass and can shed some light. Little dents; Normal? Safe to use? Guess I'm just trying to get a baseline for what normal expectations should be. All the reloading manuals said to toss cases that have dents...and now it's "not uncommon?"

Just trying to reload safe, and catastrophic problem free here guys/gals. That's all I want out of life right now. 😅
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That's normal for loose brass shipped via the louts at USPS, UPS, and Fedex.
Since you are ging to run these through your sizing die, things should smooth out nicely.
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That's normal for loose brass shipped via the louts at USPS, UPS, and Fedex.
Since you are ging to run these through your sizing die, things should smooth out nicely.
Thank you for the reply. I'm learning everyday about reloading and appreciate the people who help with that. I should have mentioned that they have already been resized and the dents are still there. They are rather small, "sharp" dents that seem immune to the sizing die. :confused:
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Dent's are pretty much considered normal, in all but the highest cost brass supplied. If you use a sizing die it'll pop them right out. Shooting a cartridge witha small dent wont hurt anythign, as long as the bullet is seated correctly, and the powder charge is correct. But they must be small dent's that don't deform the servicability of the casing. Starline brass is some of the best non OEM brass supplied in the country.
I'm amazed by just how much of it ends up on a gun range florr and never recovered, because it expensive, and top notch quality. Don't let their customer service sour you. They're just always crazy busy, and deal mostly with distributors and retail stores, that are high volume, and high dollars. They're really not set up for direct retail customers. So, they kinda sound like they don't care. They really do care, but don't have much time for the "little guy". It still would not stop me from buying their products, not for a minute!
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Dent's are pretty much considered normal, in all but the highest cost brass supplied. If you use a sizing die it'll pop them right out. Shooting a cartridge witha small dent wont hurt anythign, as long as the bullet is seated correctly, and the powder charge is correct. But they must be small dent's that don't deform the servicability of the casing. Starline brass is some of the best non OEM brass supplied in the country.
I'm amazed by just how much of it ends up on a gun range florr and never recovered, because it expensive, and top notch quality. Don't let their customer service sour you. They're just always crazy busy, and deal mostly with distributors and retail stores, that are high volume, and high dollars. They're really not set up for direct retail customers. So, they kinda sound like they don't care. They really do care, but don't have much time for the "little guy". It still would not stop me from buying their products, not for a minute!
Thank you, I appreciate the info and perspective on their customer service. I feel a bit better now for sure, I am indeed the "little guy" to the volume they do. I should note, they didn't do anything bad. Nothing I consider worthy of not buying their brass. My expectation was probably just off a bit.

The sizing die didn't seem to do anything to them, they are smaller and sharper type of dents. Here are a few photos, I think this might be more helpful then me trying to describe it.
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Thank you, I appreciate the info and perspective on their customer service. I feel a bit better now for sure, I am indeed the "little guy" to the volume they do. I should note, they didn't do anything bad. Nothing I consider worthy of not buying their brass. My expectation was probably just off a bit.

The sizing die didn't seem to do anything to them, they are smaller and sharper type of dents. Here are a few photos, I think this might be more helpful then me trying to describe it.

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The first time you fire those the dents will be gone.
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I really think you'll be good to go. I've used Starline Brass quite a bit and it's always been good and better than most.
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Those dents are inconsequential. Load up & fire away.
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Thank you, I appreciate the info and perspective on their customer service. I feel a bit better now for sure, I am indeed the "little guy" to the volume they do. I should note, they didn't do anything bad. Nothing I consider worthy of not buying their brass. My expectation was probably just off a bit.

The sizing die didn't seem to do anything to them, they are smaller and sharper type of dents. Here are a few photos, I think this might be more helpful then me trying to describe it.
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Absolutely nothing to be concerned with. At the pressures of that cartridge it will iron out just about anything imperfections like small dents.
Thank you for posting the photo. I was hesitant to respond before seeing a pic of the "dents" you were talking about.
You'll be fine..ENJOY..!
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As said those are not an issue. Brass is a very mallable alloy which is why it is used for cartridges. It shapes easily and therefore will also get dented easily.
The only issue I've heard of with Starline is that it sometimes is not soft enough! This coming mostly from single shot rifleman shooting black powder cartridges. When a case is too hard it will not seal up quick enough to prevent gases from flowing back along the case on firing. This results in extra dirty cases, and even more so with the lower pressures of black powder. Solution is simply to anneal the cases which softens them. Easy to do and it also prolongs the life of the case.
Personally, I'll take all the Starline I can get.

John
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Just to pile on; I really like Starline Brass as well. I shot cowboy action for about 15 years and used nothing but Starline 45 Colt brass. Over those years I bet I only discarded 20 cases out of 500 due to small cracks in the neck after dozens of loadings. Good stuff!
I wouldn't give those little dents a second thought. As has been said earlier, your sizing die will fix the larger dents.
Solution is simply to anneal the cases which softens them. Easy to do and it also prolongs the life of the case.
Curious as how you do that?
What I see in your pictures are small nicks. As long as there isn't any cracks around them they will reload just fine. As stated before, when you fire them they usually disappear. Dents that the sizing die doesn't remove fireforming will take care of them. Just make sure there aren't any cracks around them. Reload them and fire away.
Sorry for the late reply Daryl. I do it the cheap and easy way. Butane torch, power drill and a suitably sized socket . While the brass is rotating point the tip of the flame at the exposed case mouth and heat for a few seconds until the brass begins to discolor, then drop it out into a pan. No water quench.
I know there are expensive (to me) setups that offer precise control and automatic feeding but I have no real need. Most of my shooting is with lower pressure older cartridges and I anneal to extend the life of hard to find brass and to get a better gas seal with newer, harder brass.
As an example I had some old 38-40 brass that, because of age, was too hard to keep a crimp. A quick anneal as described fix the issue.

John
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I reload my 500 ammo with starline brass. No issues. The dents have long since gone after 2 trips and 3 reloads. Enjoy, I reload 440 grain lead and 30 grains of 2400 😀

Thewelshm
Sorry for the late reply Daryl. I do it the cheap and easy way. Butane torch, power drill and a suitably sized socket . While the brass is rotating point the tip of the flame at the exposed case mouth and heat for a few seconds until the brass begins to discolor, then drop it out into a pan. No water quench.
I know there are expensive (to me) setups that offer precise control and automatic feeding but I have no real need. Most of my shooting is with lower pressure older cartridges and I anneal to extend the life of hard to find brass and to get a better gas seal with newer, harder brass.
As an example I had some old 38-40 brass that, because of age, was too hard to keep a crimp. A quick anneal as described fix the issue.

John
Hi John your method looks like it would be great for sporadic use.I will have to try that, bottle neck rifle brass in less used calibers are sky high and need to be preserved I just loaded 7mm Remington and 7 wsm when it comes s back I will try your method
Dan
Hi John your method looks like it would be great for sporadic use.I will have to try that, bottle neck rifle brass in less used calibers are sky high and need to be preserved I just loaded 7mm Remington and 7 wsm when it comes s back I will try your method
Dan
Dan, I looked over several You-Tube videos to get the general idea before starting. It's not hard to do. It would be nice if I had a drill with a speed control lock on the trigger! :)
Also, I meant to say a propane torch, the kind used to sweat on copper plumbing fittings.

John
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I figured propane I have seen people turning them with their finger your drill idea seems better. My old skill hammer drill has a speed control lock on it I will have to bring it out of retirement since the cordless are what I use the most
Dan
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