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Vista Outdoors (owners of Remington and Federal) recently announced price increases for 2021-2022.

They also indicated that they were taking no new orders for primers from distributors. That means that primers are likely to be in short supply for the foreseeable future.

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One pice of good news is that Sig Sauer is expanding their Jacksonville, Arkansas ammunition factory to start manufacturing primers. It will become the fourth facility in the United States that manufactures boxer primers.

 

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Hey M,

See they are wanting to JACK the blame price UP another FIFTEEN PER CENT!

Have not been able to get a fool primer in well over a year...

They can JACK the PRICE UP as much as they want......on a PRODUCT that they are not selling to us.... :mad:

Hope the greedy gougers CHOKE on their crap....:mad:

Later, Mark
 

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Primers are still pretty pricy on gun broker. Best deal I snagged was $70/1000 shipped most are running $100-125 plus shipping. They get to the $150/1000 range pretty quick. I keep looking for deals but they are far and few in between! Buying small quantities $10-20/ 100 and the shipping is as much as the product! With the current administration is normal ever going to return?
 

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I went to our Massachusetts Cabela's yesterday to (hopefully) use up more of my unused gift cards. A few boring plastic handguns... zero handgun ammo... some over-priced 5.56 & 7.62 ammo. :rolleyes: Nothing good.

I've mentioned before that I want to stock up on primers once supply and prices return to a new normal... so I thought I'd check out the reloading supply aisles. While Cabela's did have some reloading supplies, there were no primers to be had at all at any price. I asked a clerk about it and he just laughed at me. :sneaky:

Soooooo, I guess it isn't time yet. :ROFLMAO:
 

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This will be the fourth price increase this year on ammo and components; Vista has a large share now with their acquisition of Remington
 
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And still hardly any ammo in stores. Are they shipping it to Mars?
And still hardly any ammo in stores. Are they shipping it to Mars?
Saw plenty of ammo at a Rural King in Dothan Saturday; prices were a tad silly, but there was plenty of 223/5.56. 9mm, buckshot, etc. Academy has tones of WEinchester 200 round packs of 223/5.56 on the shelf as well as other cartridges and plenty of high riced Federal shotshells - they went from $7 to $8 to $9 now to $10 within two weeks
 
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Likely?? With one exception, I haven't seen primers for sale her in about 2 years. Luckily, I have a decent supply, but that could change fast if I start reloading 40 and 9mm....I'm more stout on large pistol primers though.

The one exception.... I was at a gun show in late 2020 and a guy had the 1,000 count boxes of primers, he was selling for $125 per box. I called him a crook and he just shrugged....and he very likely sold those boxes before the gun show closed. I'm sure he blushed all the way to the bank. They may have even been from his own personal supply of primers, who could blame him I guess.
 

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I have seen some ammo at Bass Pro and Rural King. Plenty of ammo at most gun shops for just about any caliber. No primers or powder at any of the places, .Here in Florida where I am most don't places don't carry reloading supplies even in normal times.
 

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Went to a decent gun show north of Atlanta Sat. Relative to 2020, lots of ammo, but prices were 150% above normal. Two vendors had some powder at $50.00/pound. The few boxes of bullets were about double 2019 prices. Bought one 25 round box of Estate #4 buck for $25.00 and took the rest of my money home. I am OK on primers except for small rifle match with only 300 left.
 

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Ammo, Primers, Powder and the rest of our supplies are bound to continue to go up, as everything else is.
Thanks to run away inflation that has been created by all the government hand outs. Printing of money with nothing to back it, has caused everything to cost more.
That said, "Vista Outdoors" is setting the stage to be the next gougers, as they have almost all of the market share, and little competition now. Take the Russian ammo ban, and probably other foreign ammo manufactures to soon follow, and there you have it. A one man, show so to speak.

Primers were available at a large sporting good, and gun shop near me as of last week. They are getting $7.99 per box of 100, with a limit of 2 per customer.
I did not buy any last week, but a month of so ago, they let my wife and I buy 200 each.
I was not out, but a buddy of mine was, so I bought them, and passed them on to him. This got him going again, for a while.
They had lots of powder for rifles, but not much pistol powder. I bought some 22 cal, 55 grain Hornady Match HP bullets, for a decent price. It was more than I used to pay, but not that bad.

The out door flea market that we go to on holiday week ends, had the usual ammo gougers. Way over priced on all ammo. Quite a bit of it sitting on tables waiting to be adopted by some fool, but I waled around there for 2 hours and saw no one buy any of it.
I took a few pokes at some of them, but saying to my wife in a voice that could be heard. "It looks like ammo gouging is alive and well in Oklahoma" I think I pi$$ed a couple of them off.
Guns were stupid priced, and never saw anything that was even close to fair priced. Just crazy prices for anything gun related.
My money stayed in my wallet, except for a few small things that my wife wanted.
 

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Ammo, Primers, Powder and the rest of our supplies are bound to continue to go up, as everything else is.
Thanks to run away inflation that has been created by all the government hand outs. Printing of money with nothing to back it, has caused everything to cost more.
That said, "Vista Outdoors" is setting the stage to be the next gougers, as they have almost all of the market share, and little competition now. Take the Russian ammo ban, and probably other foreign ammo manufactures to soon follow, and there you have it. A one man, show so to speak.

Primers were available at a large sporting good, and gun shop near me as of last week. They are getting $7.99 per box of 100, with a limit of 2 per customer.
I did not buy any last week, but a month of so ago, they let my wife and I buy 200 each.
I was not out, but a buddy of mine was, so I bought them, and passed them on to him. This got him going again, for a while.
They had lots of powder for rifles, but not much pistol powder. I bought some 22 cal, 55 grain Hornady Match HP bullets, for a decent price. It was more than I used to pay, but not that bad.

The out door flea market that we go to on holiday week ends, had the usual ammo gougers. Way over priced on all ammo. Quite a bit of it sitting on tables waiting to be adopted by some fool, but I waled around there for 2 hours and saw no one buy any of it.
I took a few pokes at some of them, but saying to my wife in a voice that could be heard. "It looks like ammo gouging is alive and well in Oklahoma" I think I pi$$ed a couple of them off.
Guns were stupid priced, and never saw anything that was even close to fair priced. Just crazy prices for anything gun related.
My money stayed in my wallet, except for a few small things that my wife wanted.
It's not gouging if the market supports it.

There is no such thing as "fair" price. There is only what the market will bear and what it will not bear.

"Fair" is a word used by socialists. :D
 

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Most of the gouging prices are from short term sellers that are acting outside the normal distributor to retailer channels (buying from unauthorized sources). That's why it's smart to only buy what you absolutely need right now, and then do it only from established dealers.

The current Vista Outdoors pricing looks more like it's a reaction to the cost of materials and labor rising. I'd use that as a guideline for what's currently fair at retail pricing in the marketplace. I don't deal with or have any business relationship with them, but just keep my eye on things.

Primer pricing is just speculative gouging based on demand exceeding supply. $30 per thousand was what they cost a few years ago. $45 a thousand is probably fair today. Anything more I'd pass on. Once it's back in that range I'll consider another bulk buy.
 

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The letter specifically states that distributors (I assume that's the "Customers" in the salutation) will not get primers until further notice. That means retailers will get no primers, so don't go looking for them in the stores. We're done here, folks. "Until further notice," says Vanderbrink. Is there any source of primers in the USA that Vista Outdoors doesn't own?
 
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I was talking with my son in-law who lives in Minnesota. He told me that his brother in-law works for Federal. BIL said that at work they were sitting idle, not getting any supplies. Copper was mentioned. BIL said it was boring setting around at work all day with nothing to do. Supposedly, Federal is not laying anyone off in order not to lose some trained employees.

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Most of the gouging prices are from short term sellers that are acting outside the normal distributor to retailer channels (buying from unauthorized sources). That's why it's smart to only buy what you absolutely need right now, and then do it only from established dealers.

The current Vista Outdoors pricing looks more like it's a reaction to the cost of materials and labor rising. I'd use that as a guideline for what's currently fair at retail pricing in the marketplace. I don't deal with or have any business relationship with them, but just keep my eye on things.

Primer pricing is just speculative gouging based on demand exceeding supply. $30 per thousand was what they cost a few years ago. $45 a thousand is probably fair today. Anything more I'd pass on. Once it's back in that range I'll consider another bulk buy.
So if you were sitting on a couple pallets of primers and you COULD sell as many as you had for 90/$1000, you'd only sell them for $45/1000 out of the goodness of your heart?
 

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Happen to have a few gently used primers...

No lowballing...

Know what I got!
 
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