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My opposition to the lock is clearly under stress concerning the recent Smith M21's. :roll: I don't know how much longer that I can hold on. :-s I may have to take the plunge if I cannot find something comparable, in a price that's reasonable. :ymsigh: Maybe, I'll get one and send it to Gordy and have him weld up the left sideplate. :lol:
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A few months back, CDNN Internet Sports, Abilene, TX, was running a special on a batch they had for <$500 - a bargain, IMO. Don't know whether or not they have any left.

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You know, you might give one a try. I realize that you are deeply opposed to the lock philosophically, but you may find that in actual practice it tends to not really be that much of a bother. If after a time you find yourself losing sleep over having the lock in the house, you can sell it. At least then you'd know for sure.
 

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Alas, CDNN as well as Buds Gun Shop and others, do not ship handguns to NY, only long guns. What else is new? :roll: And NO, I'm not moving.
 

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Mike and SP...
I have had (off and on) the same thought.
IMHO, that gun is a magnificent example of the best in S&W's newer offerings.
I am SO tired of hearing the meritless complaining about 'THE LOCK' that I could throw up!
Among my friends who own newer models, I've yet to hear or experience the 'urban legend' problems that seem to make the internet rounds.
As the proud owner of many of S&W's prewar big-bores, I can tell you this: The new M-21's are probably tighter, sturdier and just as good-looking as any of my old 'collector' stuff.
Ask yourself this question?
For the money one of those will cost you, what else can you buy to shoot and enjoy that won't be riddled with old-age problems, a shabby finish and beat-up grips?
Remember, the old-time big-bores come two ways...98% or 'rode hard and put away wet'.
Buy that newer one, it's a great dollar-value!
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Agree with you Don, and the lock does not look too bad on the blued guns, somewhat blends in. My problem is NOT with the reliabilty/function of the lock, I can easily remove it. The thing that bothers me the most is the "look/position" of it, what couldn't they just hide it somewhere else?
I do own a M500 after all, so I'm not totally adverse to the lock. But the 500 was never made without the lock,44 specials were.
 

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I realize that you are deeply opposed to the lock philosophically.
No I'm not. I own a M500. And Ruger did a far worse thing in my mind regarding hi-cap magazines.
I am really on the fence here, I like the 21. If the lock were under the grips or hidden behind the hammer, I would have no issue.It does not bother me with the 500 because they never came without locks. This is painfull. :ymsick:
 

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I bought a nickeled 29-10 in 2006 with the lock. I have never given the lock, its location, or appearance a second thought. On a working gun, I think the whole issue is irrelevant. That is just the way S&W makes its revolvers these days.

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The old smith and wessons are history and a never again thing that is fasinating.They are like owning a old knucklehead harley or a old model A ford.Beautiful pieces of american workmanship of days gone buy.But they were made back in a time when metalurgy and machining techniques were limited.I remember when harley stopped selling kickers and if you bought a electric start you was a sissy.At one time the sportster was the one to have and the bigger harely was a old mans bike. Now you hear sportsters are half a motorcycle or a girls bike even though a 1200 will run circles around any of the big twins.
I heard many comments when pickups started riding like cars with plush interiors that they were not realy trucks any more.
When remington came out with the 870 it was considered my many to be a cheap stamped piece of junk compared to the model 31.Kind of ironic how it became the worlds best selling shot gun in history and is known for its dependability etc.
I love the old smith and wesson and plan to aquire more of them.It is a exspensive interest and for many like me. I have a choice to buy new or old but I cant have both.The exception being in my case I want a 460 for hunting.
I dont think the X frames are all that pleasing to the eye but many of the new models are and interest me and I would buy if I wasnt so determined to aquire some of the old ones.I would love to have a old knuckle head but I bought a new twin cam in 05.I would love a model a pickup to but bought a new ford in 04.
If my ship came in I would have a garage like Jay Leno and a building full of every model smith and wesson ever made including all the new ones.
 
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The lock is a non-issue....if you don't like it, render is useless. And having it welded and then refinishing the gun isn't that bad an idea :mrgreen:

The problem I have is with the CNC and MIM changes. That said, I will never buy a S&W with a MIM hammer and trigger set-up. If it doesn't have a hammer mounted firing pin, it is to new for me ;)

Are the newer guns good guns? Absolutely! You'll find that with the changes in the technology, there were some real engineering improvements that made the guns better from a production standpoint. I want S&W to do well and thrive into the future. They appear to be on a path to doing so. All is good.

But, being the grizzly old F art that I am....nobody can expect me to keep up with modern ways. And so, I am content to collect, gather a few, and preserve the older hand fitted guns. Maybe someday, nobody will give a hoot for the old ways....but for now a few of us die-hards are having fun torturing the "Youngin's" about the days of yore.. :mrgreen:

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My new nickel-plated Model 21 has the lock and is smooth and accurate. Don't know what all the fuss is about. I'm grateful S&W still makes such fine and desirable revolvers for us dinosaurs who still love them. We must certainly be a niche clientele by now.
 

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I wanted to buy a brand new revolver, never had a brand new one, so I did, a 686. It is the only one I own with the lock and it doesn't bother me at all. (That will be my one and only with a lock)
 

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Um, Giz... 1953 and it has a frame-mounted firing pin.

 

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Hey Mike, I recently picked up a new production M21 and ran 50+ rounds down the pipe. I am pleased to report that it was a blast to shoot, very accurate revolver and no issues with the lock. It could use a different set of stocks for pleasure shooting as those old style service stocks don't quite fill my hand.
 

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cousinelmer1 said:
Hey Mike, I recently picked up a new production M21 and ran 50+ rounds down the pipe. I am pleased to report that it was a blast to shoot, very accurate revolver and no issues with the lock. It could use a different set of stocks for pleasure shooting as those old style service stocks don't quite fill my hand.
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Excellent point about the service-type stocks, Jack...
The service stocks on the old N-frames are even worse!
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