Went to my Range Saturday and my gunsmith friend showed this to me and I picked it up. I have the PMR 30 and has been flawless for last five years. Well this one is the Kel Tec P 17 and is a blast, literally. Looks like Frankenstein with all the fasteners but is well made. The grip is just wide enough to fit my hands very comfortably. It weighs about 12 ounces fully loaded and came with 3, 16 round magazines. Also has adapter to add to the barrel to make it threaded. cost was 175.00 and is just plain fun. I put 150 rounds through it of various lead and plated loose rounds I had with no issues at all. This little gun will never replace the guns I use in competition but is just plain fun for plinking or just plain fun.