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Double stack versus Single Stack....45ACP

I'm finally in a position to do a side by side comparison. Shot them both today. A Para P12 limited vs. stock Colt 1991A1.

Here's the deal.

I call absolute BS on the issue on the mag well thickness. It is so minor in the later model DS's that is a moot point. Yes, you can feel the difference, and No ~ it really is not a big deal... Flip the guns up and look at them side by side and it is really minor. The whole upper gun portion of the gun is basically the same...

Winner on this goes to the DS, given the extra 5 rounds of capacity.

Controls....
Have to give this to the SS (Single Stack) as the DS grips are to close to the extended controls to make any difference.

So, what did matter?

Shooter's preference...

the Para had the better feeling main spring housing and in a compact, that is a deal maker. Easy enough to change that in the Colt.

The wider body on the Para allowed for fatter and better shaped beavertail...But the Colt's was fine and didn't bite. The only issue with the SS Colt was that the Beavertail could get easily hung up in clothing if you were CCW the gun.

Sights, .....no winner. Given that they are both CCW guns and the real-world shooting distances...I'd stick with the simple sights on the Colt.

Now for the good stuff....

The Limited has the bells and whistles. It is meant to be a very accurate Compact. And have embellishments to make it so. The Colt is basically a very stock Compact gun that is entry level...basically on finish...

Here's the rub....The little Colt outshot the more expensive and tuned Para ~ hands down :mrgreen: This from a gun that is as loose as a goose. And in terms of reliability ~ I'll take a accurately shooting loose gun, over a tighter slide to frame fit ~ anyday...

And which do I like better ~ The Para Ordinance...given they are both CCW guns, I'll go with the firepower. 12 rounds in the gun plus one in the tube, and I use a second extended mag that carry's 14 rounds...

26 rounds with one mag change is pretty hard to argue with in .45 ACP ;)

Wish List:

I'd like either gun to have a bobbed tail...that would make a world of improvement in both...



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You missed at least one additional point....

The tapered Double Stack Mag is alot easier to insert in the open maw of the Para Mag Well.....

Doubt it? Try a side-by-side Mag Insertion Drill BEHIND YOUR BACK.....

Drew
 
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Drew,

Excellent point and one I missed. On my Colt 1911's and 1991's the magwell opening is not tapered. Exception being the Wilson Combat. The real genius of the double stacked design is in the tapered mag itself. It overcomes the need to change the magwell...

Well done and good point!

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The only thing I don't like about the Paras are the finish on them! They wear off real quick!
 

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Gizamo said:
Double stack versus Single Stack....45ACP

And which do I like better ~ The Para Ordinance...given they are both CCW guns, I'll go with the firepower. 12 rounds in the gun plus one in the tube, and I use a second extended mag that carry's 14 rounds...

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Sooo, are you going to sell the Colt? You know, I'll be at the range tomorrow...
 

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Gizamo said:
Drew,

Excellent point and one I missed. On my Colt 1911's and 1991's the magwell opening is not tapered. Exception being the Wilson Combat. The real genius of the double stacked design is in the tapered mag itself. It overcomes the need to change the magwell...

Well done and good point!

giz
Well Done?..... Errrr, well thanks I guess.... you too..... glad I could ummmm, help.... :?
 
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Sorry Cush,

The Colt you'd want gets buried with me :mrgreen:

See you at the range tomorrow...Maybe Drew will show up, if he can drag his sorry butt out of the lazy-boy!!!!

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Cannot disagree with any of the above. I love my Colt Combat Commander but I really love to shoot my 4 1/4" Para with 14 + 1 (not real wild about the green finsh but I'm warmin' up to it). The Para fits my hand very well!
 

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Sorry Butt? :shock: Just who in the hell do you think you're talking to sonny.... :?

Here's another advantage that you missed.... a little subtle so I'm not surprised.....

The increased surface area of the wider frame spreads the force required to pull the trigger over a much larger area on the double stack Paras than on single stack Colts.

The effect is a lighter trigger even if it's not.

For what it's worth, I've given up all my Colt's, even my beloved Delta Elite with it's extra, fitted Bar-Sto accessory barrel & bushing in .40 S&W, but kept my Para P-14.

You boys probably won't see me tomorrow.... I'm gonna be working to pay off the National Debt. Then I might go fishing to see if I can find something to eat.... getting pretty tired of Ramen.
 

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The only thing I do not like about the short barreled Para Ord is the take down steps required for the full length guide rod. Makes for a interesting field stripping experience
 
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You've got that right...it is not a user friendly 1911. Quite frankly, it is a PITA to put one back together. The Para is an excellent range gun and could be reliably carried CCW. But as a field gun, you better leave it home in the safe and bring a gun that requires no tools and bright light to reassemble... ;)

That's where the little 1991A1 shines...

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I go a different route. Maintains the standard 1911 bulk but gives me 10 round capacity without the need for a fat, uncomfortable grip (I have short fingers and don't like DS guns).

 

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Well Giz and guyz, you could call this an option of sorts. This is a hybrid I had Jack Wiegand build for me in the mid-late 80's. Para P14 with a Colt Combat Commander slide, three dot night sights and a bunch of other goodies for a whopping $606.00 (I have the receipt). It is a fun and accurate shooter and my primary WTSHTF sidearm.


 

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azmick said:
The only thing I do not like about the short barreled Para Ord is the take down steps required for the full length guide rod. Makes for a interesting field stripping experience
If I'm not mistaken, mine does not have the full length guide rod, just the spring, etc. I will double check tomorrow.
 
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