When I posted everyone said Pic's....! So hear they are, my babies....! The 4" is just back from S&W Warranty and I just added the 2.5" last Saturday. Still have to get to the range and put out a range report.... but I am certain that they will both exceed my shooting abilities... however it will be fun. I know that wood stocks are desired, but I intend to shoot these and need to reduce recoil as much as I can due to arthritis....!