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Are you in for your 2A Rights?

  • I support my 2 A Rights.

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I tend to agree with TN622. I have never seen any meaningful evidence that folks who open carry are "shot first" (not talking about uniformed security). On the other hand, I have seen the Wright/Rossi study indicating that criminals tend to avoid those they know or suspect to be armed.

I also agree that a lot of folks suffer self-conscious anxiety even carrying concealed. I believe it's a significant reason so very few people with carry permits actually carry much of the time, if at all. For them, the idea of open carry is simply unthinkable. I believe this anxiety leads to a lot of the lashing-out we see among gun owners at those who open carry.

A sound reason to not open carry is to avoid reactions from hoplophobes, and that includes a lot of gun owners too. The mere sight of a gun being carried by someone not wearing a uniform creates a lot of anxiety in some people. The illogical fear is based upon the fantasy that they are safe if they can't see the gun.
 

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Carry concealed. Stay concealed for tactical reasons more than anything else. It could make the difference between you being the first victim or the last defender.

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I will take issue with this statement. If it were true, LEOs would be shot on sight by the bad guys. Open carry can be a deterrent, especially by sales personnel in pawn shops, gun shops, etc. And open carry makes the bad guy think “There must be a bunch of concealed guns here!” stopping any acts of violence.
Again, concealed or open carry has no facts or statistics to say which is a “tactical” advantage. I hate that word. Violence is quick, almost instant, and does not give time for “tactical thinking”.
Again don’t take this as cop bashing, but open carry will get you killed by certain LEOs responding to an armed robbery. Some of the dumb jerks will shoot anybody with a gun on sight. Even on the hip.That May be the biggest drawback for being openly armed.
I’ve heard some in my church sportsmen group say they were more afraid of being shot by the police than a bad guy strictly because they have a gun and are at a crime scene unwittingly.
That opinion has validity and facts to draw that conclusion.
 

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I would tell them "Your rights do not stop when their feelings begin and/or The 2nd amendment is your permit and you do not need their permission to exercise your rights and they should be happy they are able to exercise their 1st amendment rights without you exercising to use your 2nd amendment right ON them". lol
 

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It's from a car forum.

I said I would use my 2A Rights and concealed permits to protect myself, my family, and my fellow citizens. What is your opinion?
I used to be vocal about using a gun, but now I tend to keep it to myself. There has been so much confusion sown, by those that hate guns, that I don't even try to discuss it now.
I will discus it here, but not on another type of forum. I have caught flack on other forums, for saying that the Antifa creeps, could be shot by the cops, for throwing bricks.
 

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Most of the time my wife doesn't know if I am carrying, and I have NEVER shown my gun to anyone outside of the gun shop or my home. I make sure my wife understands that she is not to bring up my carry even with good friends. In addition to the above reasons, getting a reputation as a braggart won't fare well for you if you need to use your weapon and end up it court (which you will). All you need is for someone to say, "He couldn't wait to use it.", or "he was fixated on his gun." It reminds me of the WWII poster that says, "Loose lips sink ships", or the military's "Don't ask, don't tell." It is something that is better to remain private for a host of reasons.
 

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I know a couple of fellas who are only too happy to tell everyone that they carry , one even has one of those silly CCW badges. I think they're both cop wannabes and I told them so. Never tip your hand.
These "wannabe" types worry me almost as much as criminals do! Weird is weird, no matter in what form!
 

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It's from a car forum.

I said I would use my 2A Rights and concealed permits to protect myself, my family, and my fellow citizens. What is your opinion?

I do it everyday CC or OC !

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I've still got my State Badge too............so there.
 

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There is guy that walks around Easthampton, wearing Desert Fatigues, and an ammo belt with 6 speed loaders. I didn't see a gun, but open carry is a no-no in this state. He must be carrying concealed. Guess he thinks he's cool, walking around town like that. Some people want to 'show off........but to me, he's a loose canon!!! I stay away from him. Obviously.....he has a mental problem. He might be 'Red Flagged' by some anti-gun person......but he does have the Right, but it's kinda' creepy to see him! :eek: Bob
 

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The best post I've ever seen on a gun forum..... by a guy who uses the name "canebrake".

Read this before you decide to carry!

Note to ALL: This is a canebrake process and in no way to be taken as a "MUST FOLLOW" set of instructions to be followed by the sheeple herd or other Nancy Boys engaged in interwebz flaming. This is not a [website].com endorsed or condoned doctrine. It is however, a philosophy applied by this 66 year old gun totin' codger that has served him well.

Regardless of whether justified or not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.

If you are involved in a shooting and are the survivor, this is the canebrake MUST DO:

During the first second of post-shooting quiet, do a tactical reload and store the ejected, but not yet empty mag in a convenient pocket, DO NOT put it in your mag pouch! This will prevent you from grabbing it later thinking its fresh. During this reload do a 360 sweep clearing the area for additional BGs.

Draw down on the Bad Guy's center mass and watch his hands as you approach. Hands kill! Everything else is just a distraction! Clear the Tango of any weapons and make sure he is no longer a threat. DO NOT shoot again unless he moves at you. By this time you will more than likely be on someone's candid camera!

If the Tango is no longer a threat, safe and holster your weapon. The officers responding have no idea what has happened, won't know who the good guy is, won't know who the bad guy is, and if they find you standing over a body with a gun in your hand you're likely to get a bad reaction.

While keeping a safe distance, stay alert! This guy was trying to kill you just minutes ago! Continue your 360 sweeps for any BG’s that may show up! Start yelling "CALL 911! CALL EMS!". DO THIS until someone confirms they have called!

If you are alone, use your cell phone to call 911 and tell them "There has been a shooting at **your location**, get here fast!" and say nothing more. Do Not hang up and set the phone down while still connected to the 911 operator allowing then to find you. Do not speak to anyone, frequently visually clear the area for BGs and wait until the police/EMS arrives. When the first responders arrive, hurry them to the Tango to provide assistance. I don't care a rat's bottom about the Tango but what I do care about is having the first responder put in his report that when he rolled up on the scene that I was trying to save the Tango’s life! That single statement in his report will show contrition on my part and instantly protect me from a prosecutor trying to portray me as the CCW permit holder and a blood-thirsty vigilante.

When asked by the police the only thing you EVER say is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please let me speak with my attorney. I assure you that you will have my full cooperation after I consult with my attorney."

You will need to surrender your identification, CCW license and weapon. With this completed, request to be released to return home, you’re about to be sick. If everything is in order they should return your ID and CCWL and let you go. With the exception of yes or no answers to ID questions or to point out the location of the Tango's weapon, DO NOT answer any other questions! You have invoked the attorney card and are not required to speak to them. You are upset, sick and want to go home! By now they have run and verified your info, know where you live and should let you go.

If the police persist with questioning you do have an option. If you are convinced they intend to run you through the grinder tell them you are so upset that you are having chest pains. (You may actually be having chest pains.) They will have to send you to the hospital and admit you to intensive care, probably for 24 hours. You cannot be questioned further and certainly not in intensive care. You will then have time to THINK, gather your composure and visit with your lawyer. This will also be part of your record as to how upset and afraid you really were.

Remember it is the LEO's job to produce evidence, he is not your friend and anything you say can be used against you. Keep your mouth shut!

Be sure you have a lawyer prior to carrying. Call the attorney now. If it's late, you will probably get a service or machine. Go on record then, do not wait until you can speak to him in person and leave this message; "This is (You) and I require your services for a shooting I was involved in." NEVER (did I say never?) say you shot somebody, not to anyone other than your retained lawyer and not even to him on the phone.

If you re-read the above you will notice you have NOT once said you shot your gun much less the Tango. You have not lied but more importantly, you have not provided the Tango's legal defense team anything they can run with. This is very important. Invoke the attorney card and say nothing, even when questioned about you gun being fully loaded. You are not required to! Keep saying, "I'm sick and need to go home."



CCW is what I perceive to be the most personally responsible decision I have made third only to my wedding vows and active service to this great country. Concealed carry is NOT playing cowboys and indians (pardon my age tell) and I’m afraid that’s exactly what many are doing today. When we post encounters as entertainment rather than a positive outcome from our correct decisions we only feed to a “Denny Crain” type response.

When you decide to carry a concealed weapon, you have burdened yourself with tremendous responsibilities including, but not limited to, physical fitness, firearm and CQB training, in-depth knowledge and handling skills of your weapon of choice and the moral obligation that the issuing authority extracts from you when you applied for the CCW license.

When your 'go criteria' are met, you MUST draw your concealed carry and if nothing else has changed, it’s not time to talk, it's time to use the deadly force you have trained to render. If that reaction isn’t one smooth ‘muscle memory’, you’re dead! PLEASE NOTICE: I did not say if you draw you must shoot. That’s why I included the “CHANGE” caveat because if the BG turned and ran I would clear the area and then reholster.

I would also report the incidence to the local police/county sheriff. This gives them a heads-up on the BG in their area and protects me for going non-concealed. Brandishing, here in South Florida, is prosecuted harshly to control the gangsters and road rage.

There is no fun in concealed carry; it’s a profession that must be executed by professionals. If you do not embrace this school of thought, you have no business being armed. If you don't embrace this, it is my fear that I or my loved ones could become part of your collateral damage.

I need to emphasize the gravity of this carry decision with these two points;

A. Use your head (your most powerful weapon) and only draw and fire your weapon to save you or someone’s life. This is the only righteous shooting. Anything else will find you in a cage or a box. Long before you put yourself in the ‘shoot’ position, you better have completed all the legal requirements that allow you to be there. In addition you must complete the following personal conditions;

Training,
Understand and accept the moral obligation that the issuing authority extracts from you when you applied for the CCW license,
Training,
The moral mettle to take a life,
Training,
Know and keep up on the laws covering carry in the location you are armed (political boundaries and building restrictions),
Training,
At a bare minimum have a gun rights lawyer’s phone number on your cell’s speed dial,
Training,
Retain that lawyer if you can afford it,
and did I mention training?

B. See A or you will get yourself killed!

We are neither a vigilante nor a hired gun, just a survivalist.
 

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The best post I've ever seen on a gun forum..... by a guy who uses the name "canebrake".

Read this before you decide to carry!

Note to ALL: This is a canebrake process and in no way to be taken as a "MUST FOLLOW" set of instructions to be followed by the sheeple herd or other Nancy Boys engaged in interwebz flaming. This is not a [website].com endorsed or condoned doctrine. It is however, a philosophy applied by this 66 year old gun totin' codger that has served him well.

Regardless of whether justified or not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.

If you are involved in a shooting and are the survivor, this is the canebrake MUST DO:

During the first second of post-shooting quiet, do a tactical reload and store the ejected, but not yet empty mag in a convenient pocket, DO NOT put it in your mag pouch! This will prevent you from grabbing it later thinking its fresh. During this reload do a 360 sweep clearing the area for additional BGs.

Draw down on the Bad Guy's center mass and watch his hands as you approach. Hands kill! Everything else is just a distraction! Clear the Tango of any weapons and make sure he is no longer a threat. DO NOT shoot again unless he moves at you. By this time you will more than likely be on someone's candid camera!

If the Tango is no longer a threat, safe and holster your weapon. The officers responding have no idea what has happened, won't know who the good guy is, won't know who the bad guy is, and if they find you standing over a body with a gun in your hand you're likely to get a bad reaction.

While keeping a safe distance, stay alert! This guy was trying to kill you just minutes ago! Continue your 360 sweeps for any BG’s that may show up! Start yelling "CALL 911! CALL EMS!". DO THIS until someone confirms they have called!

If you are alone, use your cell phone to call 911 and tell them "There has been a shooting at **your location**, get here fast!" and say nothing more. Do Not hang up and set the phone down while still connected to the 911 operator allowing then to find you. Do not speak to anyone, frequently visually clear the area for BGs and wait until the police/EMS arrives. When the first responders arrive, hurry them to the Tango to provide assistance. I don't care a rat's bottom about the Tango but what I do care about is having the first responder put in his report that when he rolled up on the scene that I was trying to save the Tango’s life! That single statement in his report will show contrition on my part and instantly protect me from a prosecutor trying to portray me as the CCW permit holder and a blood-thirsty vigilante.

When asked by the police the only thing you EVER say is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please let me speak with my attorney. I assure you that you will have my full cooperation after I consult with my attorney."

You will need to surrender your identification, CCW license and weapon. With this completed, request to be released to return home, you’re about to be sick. If everything is in order they should return your ID and CCWL and let you go. With the exception of yes or no answers to ID questions or to point out the location of the Tango's weapon, DO NOT answer any other questions! You have invoked the attorney card and are not required to speak to them. You are upset, sick and want to go home! By now they have run and verified your info, know where you live and should let you go.

If the police persist with questioning you do have an option. If you are convinced they intend to run you through the grinder tell them you are so upset that you are having chest pains. (You may actually be having chest pains.) They will have to send you to the hospital and admit you to intensive care, probably for 24 hours. You cannot be questioned further and certainly not in intensive care. You will then have time to THINK, gather your composure and visit with your lawyer. This will also be part of your record as to how upset and afraid you really were.

Remember it is the LEO's job to produce evidence, he is not your friend and anything you say can be used against you. Keep your mouth shut!

Be sure you have a lawyer prior to carrying. Call the attorney now. If it's late, you will probably get a service or machine. Go on record then, do not wait until you can speak to him in person and leave this message; "This is (You) and I require your services for a shooting I was involved in." NEVER (did I say never?) say you shot somebody, not to anyone other than your retained lawyer and not even to him on the phone.

If you re-read the above you will notice you have NOT once said you shot your gun much less the Tango. You have not lied but more importantly, you have not provided the Tango's legal defense team anything they can run with. This is very important. Invoke the attorney card and say nothing, even when questioned about you gun being fully loaded. You are not required to! Keep saying, "I'm sick and need to go home."



CCW is what I perceive to be the most personally responsible decision I have made third only to my wedding vows and active service to this great country. Concealed carry is NOT playing cowboys and indians (pardon my age tell) and I’m afraid that’s exactly what many are doing today. When we post encounters as entertainment rather than a positive outcome from our correct decisions we only feed to a “Denny Crain” type response.

When you decide to carry a concealed weapon, you have burdened yourself with tremendous responsibilities including, but not limited to, physical fitness, firearm and CQB training, in-depth knowledge and handling skills of your weapon of choice and the moral obligation that the issuing authority extracts from you when you applied for the CCW license.

When your 'go criteria' are met, you MUST draw your concealed carry and if nothing else has changed, it’s not time to talk, it's time to use the deadly force you have trained to render. If that reaction isn’t one smooth ‘muscle memory’, you’re dead! PLEASE NOTICE: I did not say if you draw you must shoot. That’s why I included the “CHANGE” caveat because if the BG turned and ran I would clear the area and then reholster.

I would also report the incidence to the local police/county sheriff. This gives them a heads-up on the BG in their area and protects me for going non-concealed. Brandishing, here in South Florida, is prosecuted harshly to control the gangsters and road rage.

There is no fun in concealed carry; it’s a profession that must be executed by professionals. If you do not embrace this school of thought, you have no business being armed. If you don't embrace this, it is my fear that I or my loved ones could become part of your collateral damage.

I need to emphasize the gravity of this carry decision with these two points;

A. Use your head (your most powerful weapon) and only draw and fire your weapon to save you or someone’s life. This is the only righteous shooting. Anything else will find you in a cage or a box. Long before you put yourself in the ‘shoot’ position, you better have completed all the legal requirements that allow you to be there. In addition you must complete the following personal conditions;

Training,
Understand and accept the moral obligation that the issuing authority extracts from you when you applied for the CCW license,
Training,
The moral mettle to take a life,
Training,
Know and keep up on the laws covering carry in the location you are armed (political boundaries and building restrictions),
Training,
At a bare minimum have a gun rights lawyer’s phone number on your cell’s speed dial,
Training,
Retain that lawyer if you can afford it,
and did I mention training?

B. See A or you will get yourself killed!

We are neither a vigilante nor a hired gun, just a survivalist.
I started chuckling at “tactical reload” & the guffaws began at the first “Tango”

Nothing like a good mall-ninja story on a Saturday evening.



Now, whether it’s good advice or not (it is) ... it was defiantly entertaining reading that in Gecko45’s voice. LOL
 

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You don't walk around with your fly open and your 'junk' hanging out so why hang your gun out?ihfpjn
I'm not arguing with a bunch of brainwashed, mindless, anti-gun parrots about gun control. That said, most the people I know have a CCW and carry, themselves. Take a noob down to your range, instead of arguing with closed minds. It's a much more effective use of time.
 
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