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Judge Matthew Stewart ruled that Karl Manke will not have to close his shop after the state again failed to prove he was an imminent danger to public health.
Stewart said the state did not arrest Manke when he was cited, so he didn’t represent “an imminent health danger.”
“(The attorney general) has not presented any studies underlying the doctor’s conclusion. (The attorney general) has not shown any nexus between the cutting of hair and an increased risk of transmission,” Stewart wrote, the Detroit Free Press reported.

“(The attorney general’s) filings rest more on general facts about COVID-19 than specific practices or conditions at (Manke’s) business.”

Nessel’s office said she would appeal the ruling.

The Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs suspended Manke’s license without a hearing.

“It’s an unbelievable abuse of power,” attorney David Kallman told radio host Steve Gruber, stating there is no legal basis for the action.

“This is pure retribution by the governor’s office and by the AG. This is so petty and vindictive, it’s beyond the pale,” Kallman said.

After her defeat, Nessel attacked Manke publicly.

We want him to discontinue his conduct, which we think is aiding and abetting the spread of the virus,” Nessel claimed.

“Mr. Manke,” she sighed, “He’s not a hero, he’s not a patriot. A patriot is a person that fights all enemies, foreign and domestic, and does everything possible to protect his fellow countrymen and countrywomen.”

“To me, Mr. Manke is doing just the opposite of that and he’s being selfish in his behavior,” the attorney general declared
 

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My wife cuts my hair anyway..,....

MSP handed out $1000.00 tickets at the rally in Lansing yesterday. To barbers and hair stylists cutting hair for free there. Not sure how many but at least 10 citations were issued.

Whitless is a one tern dictator...
 

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One thing to note in the picture... NO social distancing, NO masks to speak of. Wonder how many in that crowd are asymptomatic?
 

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WAY TO GO KARL!
Beat the tyrants in their own home court (pun intended)!
 

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End result of this will probably be that the old guy dies of Covid and spreads it to others while still being asymptomatic before he shows symptoms and eventually dies.

I wonder how the judge will feel about that?
 

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End result of this will probably be that the old guy dies of Covid and spreads it to others while still being asymptomatic before he shows symptoms and eventually dies.

I wonder how the judge will feel about that?
Some might prefer that old adage that :" It is better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees"...........
 

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End result of this will probably be that the old guy dies of Covid and spreads it to others while still being asymptomatic before he shows symptoms and eventually dies.

I wonder how the judge will feel about that?
EXACTLY. Has he ever been tested? NO so it's a total crapshoot. For everyone's information, Nessel appealed the ruling and they will be in court today. The Republican Senate sued Whitmer for over reach and the court struck down the suit and stated that she was within her power as Governor to issue all the EO's.

Don't believe everything you see in the media. We all know how the media plays and it don't just apply to Trump either. Don't use what you read in the mainstream media to make judgments because you all should know (by now) that what you read and what the truth really is, are 2 different things.

Like the mail in voting in Michigan. Trump is pissed about it and the media stated that Michigan was mailing out ballots. That is NOT TRUE. Of course the media omitted a couple IMPORTANT words for their convenience..

Michigan is mailing out APPLICATIONS for mail in voting, NOT ballots, but the media conveniently omitted that.
 

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Some might prefer that old adage that :" It is better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees"...........
Some folks are gripped by fear. Unfortunately it's not enough that they surrender the exercise of their own liberty, but also demand that YOU surrender the exercise of liberty. See... you must surrender your means of making a living to support you and your family. Surrender free exercise of religion. Surrender peaceable assembly... on and on... to satisfy their fears. If you don't you should be fined, arrested, stripped of licenses, and in extreme cases burn down your church.

'prejudiced' in Chattanooga.
 

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Some might prefer that old adage that :" It is better to die on one's feet than live on one's knees"...........
When one irresponsibly spreads the virus he is causing death to people who did not have the opportunity to make that choice.

I respect his right to waste his own life for dubious principles.......but how do you justify him making that choice for others? There will be those who die (almost 95,000 so far). We are in a war. Some are helping the enemy.
 

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Some folks are gripped by fear. Unfortunately it's not enough that they surrender the exercise of their own liberty, but also demand that YOU surrender the exercise of liberty. See... you must surrender your means of making a living to support you and your family. Surrender free exercise of religion. Surrender peaceable assembly... on and on... to satisfy their fears. If you don't you should be fined, arrested, stripped of licenses, and in extreme cases burn down your church.

'prejudiced' in Chattanooga.
Isn't this like any other legal matter where our actions can endanger others? Traffic laws are a good example.

Your "Liberty" stops where it may endanger the lives of others.
 

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Isn't this like any other legal matter where our actions can endanger others? Traffic laws are a good example.
What the judge ruled is that the state has not shown any nexus between the cutting of hair and an increased risk of transmission. On the other hand, there is a clear nexus between driving 125mph in a residential zone and increased risk of injury.

To put it in terms of your question and the point was I making: Joe is fearful of the risks from driving. Joe chooses not to drive. Fine. The problem enters when Joe demands that everyone else stop driving because Joe is fearful of driving.

Now if the barber was infected, knew he was infected, and purposely chose to expose unwitting customers then that would be different. Kinda like some of the sexually transmitted disease laws. Otherwise, blanket laws forbidding the cutting of hair just doesn't wash.
 

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What the judge ruled is that the state has not shown any nexus between the cutting of hair and an increased risk of transmission. On the other hand, there is a clear nexus between driving 125mph in a residential zone and increased risk of injury.

To put it in terms of your question and the point was I making: Joe is fearful of the risks from driving. Joe chooses not to drive. Fine. The problem enters when Joe demands that everyone else stop driving because Joe is fearful of driving.

Now if the barber was infected, knew he was infected, and purposely chose to expose unwitting customers then that would be different. Kinda like some of the sexually transmitted disease laws. Otherwise, blanket laws forbidding the cutting of hair just doesn't wash.
Then the state just did a poor job of presenting evidence.

The problem is that the barber can't know whether or not he is infected--thus he could spread a deadly disease.

This possibility is real and verified by experts and experience in real life.

The reason we don't have to fear driving is that we have good, reasonable laws that require safe driving.

We have inspectors to make sure our vehicle is safe to drive before we can take it on the road.

This barber is insisting that it is his right to take an unsafe vehicle on the road.

Our "Liberty" stops where it may endanger the lives of others.
 

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The CDC now estimates that 35% of all people with COVID-19 are asymptomatic, but notes those individuals are "100%" as infectious as those with symptoms.
Also, 40% of the virus' transmission happens before people feel sick, the CDC estimates — highlighting the need for social distancing and masks. The agency suspects the mean time between exposure and feeling symptoms is 6 days.
 

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Then the state just did a poor job of presenting evidence.

The problem is that the barber can't know whether or not he is infected--thus he could spread a deadly disease.

This possibility is real and verified by experts and experience in real life.

The reason we don't have to fear driving is that we have good, reasonable laws that require safe driving.

We have inspectors to make sure our vehicle is safe to drive before we can take it on the road.

This barber is insisting that it is his right to take an unsafe vehicle on the road.

Our "Liberty" stops where it may endanger the lives of others.
Your analogy of safe cars doesn't work.

The state is not saying that Manke can cut hair as long he does it safely. The state has banned cutting hair, period. There is no "reasonable laws" at this time allowing for haircutting in Michigan, it's been banned for many weeks. That's why I was saying it was analogous to Joe demanding everyone stop driving.
 

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When one irresponsibly spreads the virus he is causing death to people who did not have the opportunity to make that choice.

I respect his right to waste his own life for dubious principles.......but how do you justify him making that choice for others? There will be those who die (almost 95,000 so far). We are in a war. Some are helping the enemy.
How is he "irresponsibly spreading" the virus? He was wearing a mask (IMO is a waste of time), and taking the precautions as deemed necessary. And how is he making that choice for others? His customers CHOSE what THEY think is best for THEM, not you, not me not that nazi witch of a governor.
 
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