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This is what happens when Red Flag gun confiscation programs are implemented. It's a gun-grabbers tool designed to expand.

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California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom signed 15 gun-related bills into law Friday, tightening the state's already-stringent Second Amendment restrictions.

One of the bills, which expands a so-called "red flag" law to allow co-workers, employers and educators to seek gun violence restraining orders against firearms owners they fear are a danger to themselves and others, was vetoed twice by Newsom's predecessor, Jerry Brown.


Newsom also signed a companion bill allowing the gun violence restraining orders to last one and five years, although the gun owners could petition to end those restrictions earlier. The bill also allows judges to issue search warrants at the same time as they grant the orders. The warrants can be used immediately if the gun owners are served with the relinquishment orders but fail to turn over the firearms or ammunition.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-expands-gun-seizure-law
 

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Pretty soon we're all just going to have to keep our gun ownership and opinions completely secret. Otherwise anybody with an axe to grind against us will be able to put us in a world of hurt with just a phone call.

"I think he's dangerous, and he has guns!"

Next thing you know, SWAT is knocking down your door at 2am and riddling you with bullet holes if you attempt to defend yourself from unknown intruders entering your home in the middle of the night.

"Dangerous gun owner killed by police serving legal ERPO; film at 11..."
 

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Pretty soon we're all just going to have to keep our gun ownership and opinions completely secret. Otherwise anybody with an axe to grind against us will be able to put us in a world of hurt with just a phone call.

"I think he's dangerous, and he has guns!"

Next thing you know, SWAT is knocking down your door at 2am and riddling you with bullet holes if you attempt to defend yourself from unknown intruders entering your home in the middle of the night.

"Dangerous gun owner killed by police serving legal ERPO; film at 11..."
Why I refrained from posting pictures of what I have on this site a while ago or any other sire for that matter. We are slowly but surely coming to a time when ownership of any firearms is going to be a private matter and not for general knowledge.

Newsome is headed for a recall anyway. He's certifiably nuts. But then he did get elected...

On another note, I see PG&E is cutting power to Kalifornians because of the high winds and possible fires from shorting wires, so the citizens are screaming bloody murder.....

I knew when the Kalifornia legislature made in legal for a public entity (PG&E) to be sued for damages arising from it's grid in windy conditions, I knew what the company would do and they did it. Called 'self preservation' Guess people in the "Sunshine State' are pretty ignorant. What did they expect?
 

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I just don't know how the people in Cali became such a bunch of looney lefties. The lefties run that state and control most if not all the pollical power. Maybe it's all because of the illegals that went to live there.
 

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California is rapidly approaching collapse. There has even been talk by CA officials of bringing in NATO troops to restore government if the bottom falls out. They are globalists and expect US troops would restore American principles and the US Constitution.
You can’t make this stuff up, that is how far left CA has gone.
 

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California is rapidly approaching collapse. There has even been talk by CA officials of bringing in NATO troops to restore government if the bottom falls out. They are globalists and expect US troops would restore American principles and the US Constitution.
You can’t make this stuff up, that is how far left CA has gone.
Newsome suffers from the Democrat derangement syndrome, simply put, he's a loon.

Right now the big crisis is they are burning up. Happens every year. They burn up and then the rains come and all the soil washes down and creates huge mud slides. Great place to live. Not. Stupid taxes, stupid housing prices, human feces on the streets, dopers everywhere... it's a utopia.

My favorite Kalifornia fiasco (besides draconian gun laws) is, the PG&E fiasco that gets little media play, at least not the reson why but the people suffering from their actions (hint, I'd do the same thing).

The California legislature decided that it would allow individuals impacted by wildfires (supposedly set off by sparking of PG&E's electric lines in the Santa Anna winds) to sue them for damages and like any good company, PG&E decided to cut the power to areas impacted by wind conditions to mitigate their liability. Makes good sense to me. Obviously, it don't set well with those in the dark though.

Cannot have it both ways folks and what gives the California legislature the right to allow individuals to sue a public utility for an act of Mother Nature anyway? PG&E cannot control how the wind blows, I don't think at least.
 

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Pretty soon we're all just going to have to keep our gun ownership and opinions completely secret. Otherwise anybody with an axe to grind against us will be able to put us in a world of hurt with just a phone call.

"I think he's dangerous, and he has guns!"

Next thing you know, SWAT is knocking down your door at 2am and riddling you with bullet holes if you attempt to defend yourself from unknown intruders entering your home in the middle of the night.

"Dangerous gun owner killed by police serving legal ERPO; film at 11..."
No. Screw that. We have to fight for our rights, not hide like some wimpy weenie, afraid of their liberal betters.
WTF are we? Citizens or serfs?!?

Good God, grow a pair.
 

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No. Screw that. We have to fight for our rights, not hide like some wimpy weenie, afraid of their liberal betters.
WTF are we? Citizens or serfs?!?

Good God, grow a pair.
Fight to prevent it getting to that point, ABSOLUTELY! Fight these laws, CERTAINLY!

But fight a swat team in the middle of the night with your wife & kids in the house?!?

Good God, grow a brain! :D
 

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No. Screw that. We have to fight for our rights, not hide like some wimpy weenie, afraid of their liberal betters.
WTF are we? Citizens or serfs?!?

Good God, grow a pair.
Not to rain on your parade but you live in the second worst state for draconian gun laws... Illinois could be another California very easily. Glad I don't need a FIDO card to buy ammunition..... Just saying.:D
 

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No. Screw that. We have to fight for our rights, not hide like some wimpy weenie, afraid of their liberal betters.
WTF are we? Citizens or serfs?!?

Good God, grow a pair.

Not to rain on your parade but you live in the second worst state for draconian gun laws... Illinois could be another California very easily. Glad I don't need a FIDO card to buy ammunition..... Just saying.:D
Illinois is well on it`s way
Good point guys. I didn't notice where delcrossy was posting from.

How exactly is that fight going for you in Illinois delcrossy? I see that you already have a red flag law too.
What are you and your "pair" doing to keep your state legislature from expanding your red flag law just like Commiefornia is doing? :D
Please share so that we can all follow your lead!
 

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FOID to buy ammo, so what? FOID to buy guns anyway.

4473 form to buy guns. Anyone in another state NOT doing that at the LGS? Either way it doesn't offend me.

We were the last state to get a CC law passed. But we have it.

Some folks get all bent out of shape. Others just get it done.

I have a FOID card, guns, ammo and am thinking of going CC next. And no one has red flagged me or anyone I know. The exception is not the rule, despite how the media portrays it.

I wouldn't say grow a pair. Just grow up a little. Behaving like a hurt child is not how Illinois conservatives handle problems. Just sayin'......
 

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Good point guys. I didn't notice where delcrossy was posting from.

How exactly is that fight going for you in Illinois delcrossy? I see that you already have a red flag law too.
What are you and your "pair" doing to keep your state legislature from expanding your red flag law just like Commiefornia is doing? :D
Please share so that we can all follow your lead!
Sure.
1. I'm not hiding in the basement fearful that some neighbor with ERPO me.
2. I support the ISRA and am active in lobbying. Are you?
3. Push comes to shove, I'm lawyered-up. It can get pretty uncomfortable for the cops in this state, if they're anything less than completely courteous and professional.

And no, BC-38, I'm not planning on fighting a SWAT team by my ownsome. :rolleyes:

And yes, Illinois is pretty sucky for gun laws- mostly sponsored by my own state senator kjbnfafo. Working with the LCRO to find someone to oust her.
We're not Kalifornia yet.
 

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Sure.
1. I'm not hiding in the basement fearful that some neighbor with ERPO me.
2. I support the ISRA and am active in lobbying. Are you?
3. Push comes to shove, I'm lawyered-up. It can get pretty uncomfortable for the cops in this state, if they're anything less than completely courteous and professional.

And no, BC-38, I'm not planning on fighting a SWAT team by my ownsome. :rolleyes:

And yes, Illinois is pretty sucky for gun laws- mostly sponsored by my own state senator kjbnfafo. Working with the LCRO to find someone to oust her.
We're not Kalifornia yet.
That is how to do it. It is YOUR home and state, you fight...

It is happening in Texas to a good degree with those coming here from places like California and then want to turn Texas into the exact same thing they could not escape from fast enough.
 
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