[1av8r]

I like having options. I prefer to carry concealed most of the time to maintain a low profile. Nobody needs to know I'm armed in most cases. If I feel the need to have quicker access because I'm expecting trouble, then maybe I shouldn't be there OR I should be carrying a long gun with serious fire power.

From time to time, I see a story about someone losing his exposed handgun to a thief. Usually, they are new to the game and do not understand anything about weapons retention. My service holster has a thumb break similar to what mrerick showed earlier. I admit I like carrying outside the wasteband. The best compromise for me is a pancake slide type holster from Kramer. Easy to hide but rides on my hip very comfortably.

 

[mrerick]

That 8 million has been widely publicized. It comes from the NSSF.
Taking Stock of Record-Setting 2020 Firearm Year • NSSF

We are seeing our classes fill up very quickly, but we limit the number of students per class (total of 6) so that we can coach them individually and properly. We are not a commercial operation, so don't have to turn profit on the classes.

Not to change the subject, but if you sell everyone new a couple of hundred rounds for their new firearm, ammo demand ADDs 1.6 billion rounds pretty quickly... New shooters either: buy a box and stick it all in the drawer; Go out with a friend or relative and burn 100 rounds or so; or seek out training and burn 100-200 rounds or so...

A minuscule percentage seek out safety and marksmanship training. I got my first training in High School from my Biology teacher who was also our DCM rifle team coach. Those days are long gone. We're trying to re-introduce firearm safety training into our high schools here as an extracurricular activity. Had it in bills for the past few years. So far, no go... The biggest motivator in our state is the qualification for the concealed carry permits. Even including that, I support permitless concealed carry as a fundamental right and choice.

 

[mrerick]

I have a couple Kramer holsters. They are outstanding quality - especially the ones in horsehide.

 

[gearchecker]

Something like this happened in Portland about 4-5 years ago.
A young man was standing on the sidewalk waiting for the trolley to come by and pick him up. He just got the gun the day before, and didn't have his carry permit yet, so he was open carrying his pistol. A stranger walked up to him and started a conversation. Eventually the conversation changed to him having the pistol, and that he was carrying open. A few minutes later the bad guy pulled out a knife and demanded the good guy to give him his brand new pistol. The good guy complied.
Police report filed, and as of a couple years ago the pistol hasn't turned up anywhere. They have not caught the bady guy either.

 

[cp1969]

If you're going to carry a handgun openly, isn't it incumbent upon you to keep enough distance between you and any unknown person to give you enough time to USE the protection that you are carrying?

 

[ez9ez9]

Karens of every stripe exist.

If 'YOU' don't want to OC...don't.

Stop lecturing us who do.

Now go put your mask on, distance yourself away from humanity and get in line for your vaccine shots, pronto...karen.

 

[Keith44Spl]

Carry On...........

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[cp1969]

Karens of every stripe exist.

If 'YOU' don't want to OC...don't.

Stop lecturing us who do.

Now go put your mask on, distance yourself away from humanity and get in line for your vaccine shots, pronto...karen.

Who might you be talking to?

 

[Bob K]

I don't really see it that way. By permitting people to conceal carry, with no training at all, you will have people that don't know what they are doing carrying firearms. You make it easier for some 'hot head' to walk around armed, just because he wants to. He wouldn't be aware of the down side of drawing the gun, and shooting someone. YOU are responsible for your actions!!!! You can't just shoot someone, because you don't like him.......or what he says. This would be, sort of a "wild west scenario", where it is left up to the individual, to judge someone else's behavior.

By requiring a permit, and forcing the person to get some training, to get the permit......you are ensuring that only 'trained' people can CC. I like it the way it is now, in my state. But, it should only be a one-time process to get the permit. The states always have to make it a 'money making deal'!!!! Bob

 

[cp1969]

Nonsense.

I'm one of those "untrained" dangerous sorts by your definition. I guarantee you I am not. If you think a few hours of classroom time is what removes homicidal tendencies from a person, well, you are mistaken.

 

[Keith44Spl]

Don't know about all this wild west speculation......
I started carrying a sidearm fifty years ago,
long before CC training was all the rage.

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The forever debate of OC vs CC....It's jest purty funny.

OC of a sidearm is equal to wearing a Rolex with a short sleeve shirt.
An OCer having their sidearm taken away by a criminal = being car jacked
for not having yur door lock or bullet proof glass.

The CCer has the tactical advantage...If not caught by surprise.
If yur CCing you can go un-noticed, until you're not.

It's a conundrum for sure

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I retired after fifteen years from instructing for the state concealed carry classes,
about the same time that the legislature passed permit-less conceal carry.
The only ones crying about it was those that were losing their training class fees.

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[Bob K]

You may be right .....about responsible people carrying a weapon......but what about the unresponsible people, that will carry. I worry, whenever I see a "Tacticool guy walking around in combat gear"!!! You never know about these types.....and what will 'set them off'.

I prefer to be around people...... that know what they're doing!!!! Obviously, some do...some don't. I worry about some of the Yahoo's, that I see at the range, after having the NRA course, at the club. They usually shoot an AR, at the Bowling pin range. I am a little nervous walking down range to the targets, with one of them at the firing line, with a loaded rifle. Never know when.....they will start shooting. Bob

 

[Keith44Spl]

I prefer to be around people...... that know what they're doing!!!! Obviously, some do...some don't. I worry about some of the Yahoo's, that I see at the range, after having the NRA course, at the club. They usually shoot an AR, at the Bowling pin range. I am a little nervous walking down range to the targets, with one of them at the firing line, with a loaded rifle. Never know when.....they will start shooting. Bob

^^^^^^^^^
There ya go.....Not knowing what folks are thinking or will do.

It's dangerous out there...As dangerous as driving down the highway and
meeting an other vehicle with a stranger at the wheel and jest a painted
line on the road to separate one from another.

There's drivers out there on the roadways & byways that make you wonder if they have a licenses or not.

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[mrerick]

The one thing I don't like about analogies between the Second Amendment and driving licenses is that the Second recognizes a pre-existing God given right, and it's specifically defined as such in the Constitution. Driving is considered a privilege, administrated by the states. These are two completely different levels of concept. Rights versus privileges.

The degree of infringement on the Second Amendment is completely unacceptable - yet has been constantly legislated for close to 100 years. That is why gun owners need to be "done" with any thought of compromise with politicians on this issue. It's why Constitutional "permitless concealed carry" is important nationwide. But this has to be done state by state.

I'm also concerned about nationwide reciprocity legislation from the Federal government only because it sticks the "gun control" nose of the Federal government into the tents of all 50 states where it doesn't belong. It would certainly be more convenient, but it would also establish a precedent that could then be used against gun owners nationwide just like the GCA and NFA have been used to establish a very Deep State centered agency that makes up it's own rules capriciously. It also could be a 10th Amendment issue - injecting Federal control over the states. A better law would make concealed carry legal nationwide and do away with permits all together.

 

[Keith44Spl]

The one thing I don't like about analogies between the Second Amendment and driving licenses is that the Second recognizes a pre-existing God given right, and it's specifically defined as such in the Constitution. Driving is considered a privilege, administrated by the states. These are two completely different levels of concept. Rights versus privileges.

The degree of infringement on the Second Amendment is completely unacceptable - yet has been constantly legislated for close to 100 years. That is why gun owners need to be "done" with any thought of compromise with politicians on this issue. It's why Constitutional "permitless concealed carry" is important nationwide. But this has to be done state by state.

I'm also concerned about nationwide reciprocity legislation from the Federal government only because it sticks the "gun control" nose of the Federal government into the tents of all 50 states where it doesn't belong. It would certainly be more convenient, but it would also establish a precedent that could then be used against gun owners nationwide just like the GCA and NFA have been used to establish a very Deep State centered agency that makes up it's own rules capriciously. It also could be a 10th Amendment issue - injecting Federal control over the states. A better law would make concealed carry legal nationwide and do away with permits all together.

Concealed carry license programs are a purty good cash cow for several states.
Some state budget controllers may be reluctant to relinquish that goose.



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[mrerick]

Actually, in a study submitted in response to a legislative request in 2013, the NC Sheriff association provided an analysis of flaws in the permit process. At the time, one of the sheriffs let it drop that the processing of a $5 permit to purchase handguns cost them $75 to process. The fees for concealed carry permits are considerably higher, but the background clearance process is substantially the same.

Extrapolated across the entire state, the cost over permit revenue amounted to about $10 million in taxpayer costs over a year.

The real reason for supporting the law is likely related to the multiple patronage job positions a sheriff can hire to handle running the system.

The same thing is likely in states that do the permit processing at a state level, just less pronounced.

 

[WCCPHD]

The concealed carry class in NC teaches a student what the law is, where they can carry and the prohibitions enumerated by the statute. There is no firearm fundamentals taugh

Actually, in a study submitted in response to a legislative request in 2013, the NC Sheriff association provided an analysis of flaws in the permit process. At the time, one of the sheriffs let it drop that the processing of a $5 permit to purchase handguns cost them $75 to process. The fees for concealed carry permits are considerably higher, but the background clearance process is substantially the same.

Extrapolated across the entire state, the cost over permit revenue amounted to about $10 million in taxpayer costs over a year.

The real reason for supporting the law is likely related to the multiple patronage job positions a sheriff can hire to handle running the system.

The same thing is likely in states that do the permit processing at a state level, just less pronounced.

In NC it is not about revenue. Its about power for some and control for others. Rural sheriffs have always used the permitting system to their political advantage. Many urban sheriffs use it to make it more difficult to exercise your Second Amendment rights.

 

[dennis40xnc]

I've witnessed open carry in my area of residence thou it is not everyday common. I'll admit we shop at Walmart and that's where I've witnessed open carry on occasion both male and female carriers. Since we reside in a rural area we see things that most city dwellers would not be exposed to. Then there was the occurrence of the lady from Ohio screaming about a person open carrying in the local Wendy's a few years in the past. That caused a stamped for the exit doors. Permit less carry I'm neutral on that, not for or against. I need to study that subject!

 

[ez9ez9]

I OC when I fuel up.

Keeps the riff-raff at bay as in: Pardon me sir, may I have a moment of your time as I'm broke and 'ahhhhh, I'll just be moving along now....!

 

[Tiribulus]

When I open carry (legal here in Michigan)

Where are you in Michigan if I can ask that?