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make mine 45 acp 😎
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yes.. a S&W Hand Ejector 455 second model, chambered in 455 mark II (at least orig :cool:) this would probably date to the 1916 window.. i have a letter for 64590 shipping Canadian Govt June 1916



these all still chamber and fire orig .455, although one has been modified to also shoot 45 colt..

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Thanks! What is required to get them to shoot .45 Colt? I know the rim is larger.
 

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Thanks! What is required to get them to shoot .45 Colt? I know the rim is larger.
Boring the chambers and shaving the rear of the cylinder. Fiocci makes 455 still, might want to just do that.

my .455 has the same Canadian stamp as yours.



 

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Someone gave it a Fitz job. That's a large bore revolver, with barrel cut down and trigger guard cut away in the front. Its a concept pioneered by John Henry Fitzgerald. He was a Colt employee prior to the 40's. Rex Applegate, Charles Lindberg and Clyde Barrow were known to carry a Fitz Special
 

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Someone gave it a Fitz job. That's a large bore revolver, with barrel cut down and trigger guard cut away in the front. Its a concept pioneered by John Henry Fitzgerald. He was a Colt employee prior to the 40's. Rex Applegate, Charles Lindberg and Clyde Barrow were known to carry a Fitz Special
Yes I heard this. I wish I could get a history on it. It looks like it was carried. The work is nicely done too it's blued over as if it was done at the factory.
 

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Thanks! What is required to get them to shoot .45 Colt? I know the rim is larger.
it can be done by shaving the rear of the cylinder, but that wont allow the use of the orig 455's - that's also how the typical 45 acp conversion was done.

You can also recess charge holes a bit to headspace 45 colt and thin the ejector star - since the 455 rim is thinner but larger in dia it headspaces outside the recess - that kind of mod allows you still fire both..

seen a number of canadian guns modified that way.. Have a 455 eley Colt New Service with same mod that saw Canadian service.
 

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I found ONE source for Fiocci .455 ammo here in Canada. $135 for a box of 50 plus shipping by courier. :eek: Maybe I will just fondle it!
 

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You can sometimes find .455 cases through Midway. These are remodeled .45 long cases. The trick is turning down the FRONT side of the rim and then trimming to length. Got a friend with a lathe?
 

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You have the 3rd version of the British service revolver made under contract by S&W for the British Commonwealth:

3. “.455 Mark II HE - 2nd Model” This version was referred to as the MK II revolver by the British and stamped ‘II’ by them, upper left rear side of frame.

The 2nd Model continued in the .455 1st Model TL Brit serial range beginning ~#5801 to #74755, shipped 1915-17.

By Feb 1916 724 were manufactured for the Canadians, chambered in 45 Colt, without a cartridge roll mark on barrel, presumed for the RCMP [H of S&W, pg. 203].

The Canadian military also bought about 14,500.

And about 1000 2nd Models were released for commercial sales in the US, shipped Dec 1917 to Shapleigh Hardware in St. Louis [S&W, N&J pg. 216].


blazermark has described the very best way to convert to 45 Colt and the least invasive. You will retain the serial # on the rear face of the cyl as well as the ability to still shoot the 455 original cartridge safely! Don't be scared off when you hear "ream the chambers" to be able to shoot 45 Colt. It's much simpler than a normal cartridge conversion. You can buy a 45 Colt reamer for about $100 or rent one for less than 1/2 of that, just Google it.

You only need to ream the throats in the chambers lowering the shoulder (that you can see when looking in the chamber) a small amount for the 45 Colt to fit all the way in the chamber. The back edge of the reamer will countersink/counter-bore the chamber mouth; keep cutting with the reamer until you counter-bore only .015" deep for the thicker 45 Case heads and your done. There's so little material to be removed it will only take 20 minutes. No machinery needed, just a T handle to turn the reamer by hand and use plenty of cutting oil! Clean chips off the reamer after reaming each hole. Don't turn the reamer counter clockwise.

The thinner but wider 455 case head will not fit in the countersink so it will still fire as normal!

Good luck and good shooting,
Jim
 

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Ha! Completely blew that one. Interesting conversion. Never seen a .455 with that style of triangular sight on a cut barrel, so I automatically assumed a .38.
 

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Does the op gun have a custom made hammer or was it changed to a short action hammer.
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Does the op gun have a custom made hammer or was it changed to a short action hammer.
Cliff
It's a custom hammer spur welded to the original. Notice on the short action post war hammer that the spur branches off of the hammer much lower down from the top:

 
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