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Sebago is spot on. I passed on one at a gun show priced at 550, it was not perfect. finish was off just a bit and aftermarket grips. It was a 450 retail gun. If something is just right 550 to 600 would be the retail around here.

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Personaly I would rather have the 30% than the box. Boxes get my goat, have a stack of boxes can't throw away since they bost the value of the gun. Like Smiths don't care much about cardboard.

But that's the way it is

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