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    S&W Revolvers weaker than Ruger and some others?

    Just curious on your thoughts... buffalo bore states on their website do NOT use their 44 rem mag +p+ ammo in S&W revolvers

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...ct_detail&p=54

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    Its my understanding a Smith is made utilizing the " Forged " method. Ruger are "Molded "steel, (cheaper to produce) and much more dense.. I'm sure someone will jump in with the exact reason shortly. Greetings mate!

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    I would say that it has to do more with the differences in design, where areas of the S&W frame is not as heavy as a Ruger, like the top strap and the area where the barrel is attached to the frame. Also the cylinder, where on a S&W the bolt notches are directly above the charge holes, and on a Ruger DA revolver, they are offset.

    As for manufacturing... the frame on a S&W is formed by "drop forging" where a red hot heated billet of steel is placed into a forming die and then is struck with a huge hydraulic hammer to stamp the steel into the shape of the frame.

    Ruger uses the "investment casting" method, where molten steel is poured into a ceramic mold. Ruger's Pine Tree Division that does industrial casting, produces a myriad of items... including missile fins.

    Many people put the knock on investment casting as being inferior. Investment casting is far more common than what people realize, and is used in applications that are more demanding than a revolver frame, such a turbine blades in jet engines. The engine block in your car was likely made via the investment casting process.

    I don't remember ever hearing about a Ruger frame cracking under normal use.

    In the 80's, S&W and Ruger got into a pissing match over which process, drop forge or investment casting was better, and S&W put out this ad in the gun mags in response to Ruger's barbs at S&W. I've told the story before about how me and my cousin had a friendly rivalry going because he is a big DA Ruger fan, and when this ad came out, I used to sneak the little fast food packets of ketchup into his range bag for him to discover when he got home from our range outing.... it still brings a smile to my face thinking about his reaction.

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    Rugers are bigger, heavier & therefore a bit stronger because of the extra steel. S&W steel is better because it's harder & more dense as well as have smoother actions. Both are fine revolvers & unless you're trying to detonate nuclear bombs in the chambers work fine.
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    I don't think many manufacturer will certify their firearm for usage with +P+ ammunition (which is beyond normal SAAMI safe pressures).

    I don't use it personally since I don't want to beat up my firearms with the excessive pressures.

    Ruger frames are investment cast by their subsidiary Pine Tree Castings.

    https://ruger.com/casting/PDF/PineTreeCastings.pdf

    Investment cast parts and frames are actually stronger than forgings. Their Prescott Arizona group also casts Titanium alloys, and makes parts for use in the aircraft industry. Since the castings are uniform and consistent, there is less finishing waste as well when the frame and parts are milled into final precision form.

    Of interest, when Ranger was making the Walther PPK in the USA in Alabama, their frames were also investment cast by Pine Tree Castings. I found the Pine Tree mark on the frame of mine under the grips, and asked the Ruger production manager about it at a Stockholder's meeting. He confirmed that Pine Tree produced the frames for Walther/Ranger.
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    I like them both as well, especially the Ruger single action 41 mag.
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    Personally, I really don't care. I'm not about to subject my Smith's to +P+ ammo anyway. I do use 125 Gr. +P .38 Spl. in my older .38 Spl. revolvers, because of a study I read by Tusker. It states that the old .38 Spl. loads were loaded pretty heavy, but the new +P .38 Spl. do not generate any more pressure than the old std. .38 Spl. loads. So, they are safe to use. I have had no problems in my Smith's after many years of use. Bob
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    Why do people think 44mag +P+ velocities (slower DA split times) are more effective than SAAMI 44mag velocities? A modest AA #9/240gr Nosler JHP is basically torn apart/fragmented at lever action velocities. WFNs don't need more than 1100-1200 fps impact velocites to be effective against muscle and large bones...an M29/4" Mountain Gun weighs about the same as a 1911 Gov't, same can't be said about the Redhawk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SidecarFlip View Post
    I like them both as well, especially the Ruger single action 41 mag.
    You and me both, brother...

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