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    Whether they manufactured new ammunition from completely new components, or recycled cartridge cases to create "new" reloaded ammunition, they are responsible for their final product.

    "North Georgia Reloading" is their name. On their website I found one new .223 ammunition offering, and it was green tip ammo, not what you showed in your photograph.

    As with all Internet forums, those of us reading your thread assume "NGR" products are all reloaded ammunition because that is what they do. They do appear to have one offering made with new components. OF course, the source of those components is completely unknown to us. "New" brass might,be brass made and rejected by a major manufacturer for some reason, then sold as surplus to NGR. It's impossible to know. Manufacture of new .223 cases is an expensive and complex process, and while I don't know for sure where they got "new" brass, I doubt they have made the investment to make cases themselves simply because they offer so few "new" products. If they had the means to make shouldered cases, they would use that equipment to make lots of them, not just one offering intermittently.

    If it says "new" it would probably have to be made with all new components: case, primer, powder and bullet. They would have acquired those components from their supplier, put them together on their presses, packaged and sold them. They are responsible for what they sold.

    Since we cannot analyze what you actually experienced, everything you read on a forum like this is educated speculation. This is why, if you really want to do something about this, you need legal support, access (likely through them) to a forensic analysis laboratory, the ability to sustain the expense (lawyers around here cost $300 per hour, analysis is similar - with the option of splitting a settlement or lawsuit proceed to settle their bill, generally 60/40 or so) and the willingness to put in the time and energy to see it all through.

    Nobody supplying products involved in such a product liability claim is going to "help" you figure out what happened. It's generally not in their interest to do anything, especially once you bring in a lawyer. If you hand anything over to a manufacturer, it will cease to be useful in any kind of legal case since it's been contaminated as far as evidence goes.

    Remember, I have some background, but I do not give legal advice.
    Last edited by mrerick; 07-20-2019 at 06:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert in Dallas View Post
    Thank God he had eye protection on too. The shooting glasses had pits on them from debris.
    That means you are a responsible dad mate..

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    Wow, lots to decide. I don’t feel like dealing with the hassle. I don’t want anything other than the gun replaced. But most importantly I don’t want this to happen again to anyone else. He could have been seriously hurt. If I just walk away, I would feel guilty.

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    I used to buy Atlanta Arms reloads because that’s all the range sold. I’ve read too many stories like this, I decided to only buy new factory ammo, which only reduces, not eliminates, the risk. And I don’t buy Wolf or other Russian ammo, it’s never been as good. I don’t mind European ammo like Prvi Partisan or S&B though.

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    Experienced shooters are aware of the kind of risks involved with shooting sports in general, and the kind of pressures involved with these rifles. This causes me to be very conservative about safety margins, the selection of manufacturers by reputation and maintenance and cleaning issues. Also with ear and eye protection, the clothing I wear, and techniques I use.

    I make sure things are right to the extent possible, based on my study, experience, shared experience and reputations of suppliers.

    That is one reason I'm willing to share my thoughts with you.

    You have nothing to feel guilty about regardless of what you decide to do.

    You can look at the experience as education, and the loss of the firearm as tuition - especially if you didn't experience serious injuries.

    You do owe it to yourself to seek the best training you can get from experienced people. I my book, this is hands on, and includes direct observation and coaching. That doesn't matter what your level of experience is.

    The best shooters I've ever worked with train continuously, are always reading reliable material and aware of current issues.

    While you can get injured in sports like golf, swimming, football and hockey, none of them involve devices that generate 50,000 to 80,000 psi pressures.

    Bad things do happen to good people. That is not politically correct, but it is the real world.
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    I haven’t seen the question asked or answered, Was this a purchase from a gun store or directly from S&W, Whom did the fore grip mods, Whereas the delta ring being seated to secure the spring and gas tube, essentially creating back pressure.
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    The gun was purchased at a retail establishment new. If it were purchased used I would not have wasted my time asking. Thanks

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    Understood new, let’s start there if they did modifications to “add” enhanced railing (requiring some disassemble) to install for attachment handguard

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    I could be wrong, just ask my wife, but I don't think I have ever heard of S&W or any manufacturer flat out keeping a gun that was sent in, with no compensation. I have heard of them saying that in spite of the damage being from ammo, we will sell you a new model XYZ at cost or something to that effect. They may say they are keeping it, but since it is your property I don't see how they could just keep it and not offer something in return.
    In the case of the OP, I can see where they could say its ammo related or that somehow changing out the furniture caused the damage, thus dodging responsibility. Even then I bet they would offer a replacement at a discount.

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    neither have I. I think that is internet folklore.
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