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    Vintage, Military 38 Special Ammo

    When my dad retired from the USAF in 1971 he had 2 or 3 ammo cans full of this stuff. Mostly he had the reloaded stuff in nickel cases. From what I have read these use a 130 grain bullet and based on my experience shooting them, they are definitely not a hot load. First the reloads:
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    These are head stamped R A 6 4 , for Remington Arms 1964 I would guess. The reloads were all in nickel cases and had 1 of 4 different head stamps. They are Rem-UMC, WRA, Western or Peters. I shot tons of this ammo through the 70s and 80s mostly.


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    Hey Jonesy,

    If you go to reloading that ammo on the bottom, you may well need to "swage" the primer pocket.

    Here is a handy gadget to go on your single stage press..... Environment Test

    Have a bunch of "mil/surp" .38 brass. (since I got the second 1050, for .38, primer pockets are not a problem, big problem when I was still using the 550)

    They will break your primer punch, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msharley View Post
    Hey Jonesy,

    If you go to reloading that ammo on the bottom, you may well need to "swage" the primer pocket.

    Here is a handy gadget to go on your single stage press..... Environment Test

    Have a bunch of "mil/surp" .38 brass. (since I got the second 1050, for .38, primer pockets are not a problem, big problem when I was still using the 550)

    They will break your primer punch, again.

    Later, Mark
    Hey Mark, thanks for the heads up on the brass. I believe that is the last box of the M41's that he has and since the box and ammo are in decent shape, I believe I will hang on to them. I'll shoot that box of M41 Reloads though. There are still about a dozen of those left. They are a fairly light load and run real nice through my M638 airweight at the range. They reload just fine too. I wonder why the reload/training ammo is in nickle plated cases and the regular new manufactured stuff is in brass? I would expect it to be the other way around.
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    Revolver ammo did not use crimped primers. Neither did match ammo. Crimped primers were to keep primers in place when fired in full-auto and open bolt weapons.

    Back on track , here's some WCC 60 M41 .38 Special.


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    Mine only has the warning about not suitable for civilian use on the reload box. The other one only has what you see on the top.

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    Check bullets with a magnet. Some were copper plated steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkk41 View Post
    Check bullets with a magnet. Some were copper plated steel.
    I checked and a magnet does not stick

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    The M41 was loaded with 130 gr copper fmj bullets at aprox 950 fps but this round at normal 38 special pressure did strain the Aluminum Cylinders of the special Air Crewman M13 S&W revolvers thus causing these revolvers to be scrapped and mostly destroyed. The Air Force Used 38 special revolvers during the 1950s through the 1970s. Around 1960 the US Air Force requested a heaver bullet than the 130 gr and 158 gr fmj rounds were delivered around 1961. Of course there were complaints that the heavier bullets kicked more than the 130 gr loads.
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    When I was in the AF I worked as a Small Arms Tech and shot a lot of that ammo, and trained a lot of pilots using this ammo. It's a very mild load, good for target use but not worth a hoot as a self defense load. I think I still have several cans of the M41 and a couple of cans of the reloads. I'm not sure why the reloads were nickel cases, maybe to keep corrosion and fingerprints to a minimum. Also it might have been a requirement of the contracting office doing the purchasing. I think all the bullets were lead and no steel bullets were ever used in pistol ammo as far as I know. And jimg11 is right, the M13s didn't like military ammo. About all we ever shot were M15s. The pilots carried the M13s but I never had any of them used for training.
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