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    Quote Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil View Post
    Here's a video discussing effectiveness of handgun calibers from the guys who make them, Federal.

    It's worth watching though it may deliver some heartburn to those who rely on foot pounds of energy as a measure of handgun caliber effectiveness.

    Why Ballistics Gel Works and Caliber Arguments are Dumb

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6kUvi72s0Y
    Hey Phil,

    Who knew? No handgun is as effective as a 30-06!

    But, a 9mm as effective as a .44 Mag? (their words) ??

    Oh well, maybe I'll just stick to my ole 45/70...



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    If both the .45acp and the 9mm fail to expand in a given shot, the .45 is better because it's wider to start with. If both expand to their theoretical capacity, the .45 is also better. If the 9mm expands well and the .45 doesn't, then probably the 9mm, or at least it's debatable. So I think you're better off with the .45 BUT then the issue of how many rounds both will hold is the other big factor. If your similarly sized 9mm pistol holds 2 or 3 more rounds than the .45, to me, that MORE than evens the debate? I would have to go with the 9mm based on more rounds, as I think the ballistic advantage of the .45 probably doesn't equal the 9mm advantage in capacity?


    I'd feel better off with 8 or 9 rounds of 9mm than 6 rounds of .45 in a sub-compact gun, or 17 rounds of 9mm than 13 rounds in a larger pistol. Just IMO.
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    Sure glad I learned ballistics before Al Gore invented the internet. Internet consensus is caliber doesn't mater for self-defense. Internet consensus is caliber is critical for bear defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Injunbro View Post
    How many here have actually used any handgun to stop anything critter or human? Or know what hot lead & cold steel feel like? (Yes, I have, no I won't discuss it except to say I came by my scars honest). The gist of the article is Shot placement, not caliber & Handgun stopping power is a myth. .0093 (difference in bore diameter) more or less won't matter, hitting vital areas does.
    I may have mentioned this previously, and if I have, it has been a while. I stopped a pit bull with a 158 grain JHP from a .357 Speed Six. One well placed close in shot, knocked him off of his feet, and he struggled to catch his next breath, and promptly died.

    Handgun stopping power is simply a myth. There, we said it, and the FBI agrees.
    Count me as one who is calling that, a pile of crap. It is my contention, that if I myself were to take a round, at close range from a .357, with a 158 grain JHP, in the lungs, it would knock me flat.

    {OK, let me add that I want another .357 before I die, and I ain't brand loyal. A good S&W would be best, but a Taurus or Ruger will do.}
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    Quote Originally Posted by YosemiteSam View Post
    If both the .45acp and the 9mm fail to expand in a given shot, the .45 is better because it's wider to start with. If both expand to their theoretical capacity, the .45 is also better. If the 9mm expands well and the .45 doesn't, then probably the 9mm, or at least it's debatable. So I think you're better off with the .45 BUT then the issue of how many rounds both will hold is the other big factor. If your similarly sized 9mm pistol holds 2 or 3 more rounds than the .45, to me, that MORE than evens the debate? I would have to go with the 9mm based on more rounds, as I think the ballistic advantage of the .45 probably doesn't equal the 9mm advantage in capacity?

    I'd feel better off with 8 or 9 rounds of 9mm than 6 rounds of .45 in a sub-compact gun, or 17 rounds of 9mm than 13 rounds in a larger pistol. Just IMO.
    I have mentioned this somewhere before, but I was watching Cops, and they found a gangster in an alley in LA. The showed an X-ray from the autopsy, with the bullet, and I blurted out, "That's a .45!" I was watching the show with my mother and step-father, and he doubted that I was right. But it stopped on the scapula, the shoulder bone, and seemingly killed him dead. Anyway later on, it was revealed to be a .45 Auto.

    PS: I don't like sub-compact .45's, the bullets are not accelerated enough, with a short barrel. If I did have a sub compact, I would use FMJ myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    Sure glad I learned ballistics before Al Gore invented the internet. Internet consensus is caliber doesn't mater for self-defense. Internet consensus is caliber is critical for bear defense.
    Ha, ha, ha! Funny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rule3 View Post
    The 38 special is to small and only 6 shots
    The 9mm has good capacity but is to small
    The 45 Is so big and has limited capacity
    The 10 mm is much more powerful but agents can't deal with the recoil
    The 40 SW gives more capacity. less recoil that a 10mm and almost the bullet size of a 45, but is has still has to much recoil for some new snowflakes

    After all the money, testing and wasted firearm purchases lets use:

    THE 9MM.

    Now, since the FBI likes the 9mm again, the general public now hates the 40SW and 40 SW handguns have flooded the market.

    Kinda like what is the new I Phone!

    Well I like the .40 more for me if I didn’t like revolvers so much!

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    I have an order of 9mm, 147gr JHPs coming from Double Tap that I will be testing. Double Tap's 147gr bonded JHP advertised to ~1135fps/4.5" barrel, this could be an explosive combination of sectional density and velocity, 15.5" penetration 0.67" expansion. If handloading 9mm/147s, VihtaVuori 3N38, Federal primers, takes MV a little more.

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    Pointless argument !!! Regardless of Caliber its ACCURACY that counts. !!! Bullets only work when they hit VITAL areas of the body PERIOD
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