Mrerick and Injunbro, I agree with both your approaches. That is why I put the OO-Buck in. Increased odds of hitting the vital “gotcha” spot. In reality when I’m home I grab the shot gun with a revolver backup. On then street I carry a revolver (357 mag) primary and a pistol (9mm) backup. I used to carry a 45 acp primary and a 9mm backup. The reason was I didn’t see much difference in killing/stopping power either. I was more comfortable with the 45 acp.
Not bragging, but I’m a pretty good shot and most times hit what I aim at. I usually score high in competitions but my speed has slowed down some as I have passed the big 60, it happens. I still train and do some completion to keep the aim on the stamina as good as I can get. I also like to stay sharp with skeet and some trap. Never gotten in to sporting clays but I can see why some folks like it.
I have used 45 acp to kill hogs and such effectively. I would prefer it over a 9mm in most cases. Personal preference, comfort with and confidence is the reason. I have taken deer and hogs with the 357 Magnum. Does the trick every time so far. I haven’t tried .38 spl yet.
11-24-2018, 03:31 PM
Both calibers are powerful enough to require locked breech design handguns. Yes - a few unlocked breech guns have been made, but they are impracticably heavy. Think "Hi-Point" in 9mm.
Smaller calibers starting with the .380 acp have been widely produced with unlocked breech designs, and some of the modern ones appear to be very cheaply made. For example, one of my students brought a brand new M&P .380 Bodyguard to class, and it promptly locked up after about 4 shots. Something in the mechanism failed internally. It was a qualification run for CCH permit, and we loaned the student a replacement firearm in 9mm.
I don't have a problem with older all steel guns that are in the smaller calibers and have unlocked breech designs. The Walther Suhl, Ulm and Arkansas manufactured PP and PPK are good examples of well made guns.
11-24-2018, 04:45 PM
The 38 special is to small and only 6 shots
The 9mm has good capacity but is to small
The 45 Is so big and has limited capacity
The 10 mm is much more powerful but agents can't deal with the recoil
The 40 SW gives more capacity. less recoil that a 10mm and almost the bullet size of a 45, but is has still has to much recoil for some new snowflakes
After all the money, testing and wasted firearm purchases lets use:
Now, since the FBI likes the 9mm again, the general public now hates the 40SW and 40 SW handguns have flooded the market.
Kinda like what is the new I Phone!
11-24-2018, 07:08 PM
I've tried both 9mm and 45 acp. I've found the 9mm a little more difficult to control recoil on. The 45 acp I can control and recover the sight picture much faster.
I tried this using the same gun per say. There both SA 4 in XD models. Essentially the same gun. My steel 45 acp pistols I've found recoil recovery to be quicker.
Maybe it's me, dont know.
What I do know, shoot what you can hit with multiple times. For me, that's a 45.
11-24-2018, 07:35 PM
9mm vs .45 ACP? Never heard of such a comparison. :confused:
How about , ummm , let's say , .41 Remington Magnum. kfjdrfirii
11-24-2018, 07:48 PM
I use 9mm because the guns I carry during warmer weather are smaller. During the cooler months the 45 is what I prefer.
11-24-2018, 08:08 PM
Caliber debates are as useless as standing on the sea shore with arms outstretched to stop the waves from hitting the shore...
11-24-2018, 08:24 PM
I love the title, why are we arguing about... Because folks like and want to argue! Both are just tools, think of it who would scare you more, Jerry Miculek with a 9mm or even a .22 or the typical street trash with a .45? Which do you think would be more effective at putting holes in your body quickly and where it would do the most harm, Miculek or the idiot holding his pistol sideways?
11-24-2018, 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by Minorcan
But it’s hard to fit a shotgun in my pocket.
Well, now that you mention it, there IS the S&W Governor, 6 rounds of .410 triple ought, that
will fit in a large pocket very nicely. And shoots well, too.
But, I'll take ol' Mr. FatNslow 45ACP, myself, anytime.
But Rule3 makes an excellent point, if you are looking for a good gun and cheap ammo
on a budget, you could do a lot worse than the 40 S&Ws that are getting dumped on the market,
11-27-2018, 12:31 AM
Another copy and paste article about an ad nauseam subject. Equal and opposite reaction, hmm, and this relates to fluid dynamics how? Good grief, whatever happened to bullet selection/construction, there's an overlap in calibers, carry for the perceived threat/environment. I recently read an article and in the author's opinion, the .357mag is inefficient, really??? Yup, really. A JHP is only as good as its weakest petal...I'm bored. :)