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    Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    Friday night we were running a Corrections Class through night fire quaification. Corrections is required to shoot .38 Special revolvers and the academy uses S&W Model 67's. These guns are new, with no more than 800 rounds through any one gun.

    A student, who has consistently been a good shooter, was all over the target. Inspection of his revolver revealed that the barrel was missing....yes, missing. It was recovered on the ground where he was shooting from. The barrel separated at the threads halfway down the forcing cone.

    At that same time, a second cadet was complaining that he could barely pull the trigger on his. Inspection revealed that the same thing had happened but the barrel had not yet fallen off. It was separated and was creating pressure between the forcing cone and cylinder.

    The ammo being used is Mag-Tech 158 grain round nose standard pressure. The barrels of the revolvers are marked .38 Special +P.

    All guns were pulled from the line and are being inspected this week along with a phone call to S&W.

    Has anyone seen anything similar?



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    Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    bodyarmorguy,
    I seem to remember reading about a major failure like the one you describe (maybe somewhere in New York State?).
    S&W wound up replacing and repairing a whole bunch of same-numbered guns for a large police agency.
    Help me, somebody, with more details.
    This happened within the past 5 years, as I recall.
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    Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    If he was all over the target, he was still hitting the target, correct?

    I'm impressed!

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    Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    Quote Originally Posted by LeMat
    If he was all over the target, he was still hitting the target, correct?

    I'm impressed!
    Me too. That looks like about a 1/2 inch barrel and he for sure was not using the front sight
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    Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    Don,
    I remember something like that too, but can't seem to remember the details.

    Someone will remind us of it, I'm sure.

    I'm glad no one was hurt..







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    Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    Quote Originally Posted by azmick
    Quote Originally Posted by LeMat
    If he was all over the target, he was still hitting the target, correct?

    I'm impressed!
    Me too. Never shot a gun with no barrelbut hitting anything with one has to be pretty good
    I was scratching my head at first too, but after seeing the photo of the other weapon and reading the OP's report more closely, my guess is the barrel was separating while he was shooting and it was throwing his shots off. My question now is more along the line of; how many shots from initial signs of separation to the barrel falling off did it take? It probably can't be answered as the shooter wasn't aware it was happening...who would be that is simply qualifying for a training requirement? I can't wait for some of the knowledge whizzers to comment on this event, I'm REALLY curious about what happened here.
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    Arrow Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    Maybe "Night fire qualification" would explain why it was not noticed right away.........?

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    Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    Appears to another batch of over torqued barrels or ........possibly bad steel?

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    Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    Quote Originally Posted by pistola
    Maybe "Night fire qualification" would explain why it was not noticed right away.........?
    Yes, during night qual at the 7 yard line stage, no flashlight, ambient moonlight only.
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    Re: Model 67 Catastrophic Failure

    My understanding of this failure was that the wrong oil was used on the barrel threads that lead to the failure:

    http://www.grantcunningham.com/lubricants101.html

    Scroll down to the paragraphs under "What makes for a good gun lube?"

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