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    value on model 1905 4th change

    Picked this up from an old security guard I worked with when he retired. He claimed it was an old police issued model 10.
    after giving it a better once over and reading some on the internet I believe it is a model 1905 fourth change
    six inch barrel half moon front site
    blueing is showing some holster wear
    the downside is that theres a name hand stamped into the side of the frame.
    serial number is S 909XXX
    so is it a 1905 or a model 10?
    how old is it?
    whats it worth?
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    to the forums from the Wiregrass!  With an S serial, it's post WWII, but K frame .38s never received an S SN except for Victory models with an SV serial. With the one line trademark address, it is prior to 1948. Something ain't right. Please post a picture of the SN on the butt.
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    Welcome to the forum KL! That’s a nice looking .38 Military and Police Hand Ejector (it became the Model 10 in 1957). The “S” serial numbers 811120-999999 appeared on .38 K frames from 1945 to 1948 when the “C” prefix series started. The stamped name detracts but the 6” barrel and the “S” serial number are positive assets. I’ll leave the value to others but I’m partial to the 38 M&P/ Model 10 because I carried one for many years and still shoot them. Enjoy your gun, it's a great shooter and will last another lifetime...or two.


    According to the leading reference on S&W, the “Standard Catalog of S&W“ by Supica & Nahas, Wiregrassguy is right about the one line “ Made in U.S.A.” being pre WW II and the 4 line “Marcus Registradas” stamp being post WW II … HOWEVER, the words “never” and “always” don’t apply to S&W.


    Below are pix of my K frame .32 M&P with serial number S 990911 and also with the one line “Made in U. S. A.”. The “Catalog” says my gun is stamped “Smith & Wesson 32 Long CTG on the barrel’s left side, with the right side blank”. (Supcia, pp 129)


    As you can see, my gun is stamped differently. Go figure.


    I’m still awaiting the factory letter.

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    I was right. Somethin' ain't right...and IT'S ME . I keep forgettin' about that other table.

    Arkievol, that's a pretty rare .32 you got there. Less than 5,000 made. First one I've seen. Thanks for sharing.
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    welcome.. pretty nice wheelgun..

    as was said, its a .38 special M&P from just after WW2, about 1946/47.. It becomes the model 10 in late 50's.

    these were produced from a mix of left over war time and new production, so you see all kinds of variation in these - long throw, old style hammer, single line address, plugged lanyard ring holes.. a range of barrel lengths including snubs, mostly blued, but some nickel ones were made..

    the S serial numbered K frames are neat guns, I have one similar to yours (a 5" without the autograph..).. yours is in pretty nice condition for its age, and it has that long hammer throw of the pre-war smiths.. Have you shot this yet? mine is a hoot and accurate as anything I own.. use 158 grain lead and punch some paper holes!!

    value wise, the S numbered ones have a bit more collector interest than a pre model 10, and run a little bit above them (10%?).. without the name stamp, $400 - $500, could range a little higher on auction sites if those grips are serial numbered to the gun..


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    You got yourself a nice "shooter" in very good condition, but unless "Bob Oneale" was some famous person (Isn't that stamped into the frame?), it detracts from a lot of the guns value to most folks. For a "shooter", it doesn't make much difference to me on a great condition gun except lowering the purchase price.

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    agree w/grasshopper.. since I like these versions I would still be interested, but I would pay less with the autograph...

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    This is about the end of the S era short throw, speed hammer. Butt swivel but likely not a leftover frame, has a rack number on the backstrap. Yours is prettier.

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    Welcome to the forum. That's a nice M&P, even with the stamped name. I'll take it that Bob O Neal wasn't the gent you bought it from? Though the name knocks it value down $100-150, I think it would still bring around $300 in my neck of the woods. The best thing about that S serial number is you have an older M&P but with the improved hammer block safety mechanism, hence the S for safety. This improvement began in the Victory revolvers during WWII after an incident where a dropped gun discharged and killed a sailor. Subsequently, S&W added the hammer block bar and stamped the improved models with an SV. As mentioned, immediately after the war the V was dropped and the S prefix continued. This feature was introduced in all post war S&W revolver models.
    Keep in mind, S&W buillt 1 million M&Ps before the war without a serial number prefix, another million during with the V or SV, then another million with the C series, then the D series, then more...
    So you can see there were quite a few of these puppies sired by S&W. They are the best fixed sighted 38 caliber revolver made and are still a great firearm. Yours is from a unique niche in the long production run of the M&P/model 10 revolver. Enjoy it and shoot it often, the K frame revolver IS the 38 special!.
    I enjoyed the pictures. Thanks!
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    ok I've gone over the piece a little more carefully and have found a different serial number on the yoke
    the grips are numbered on the back of one
    here are a few more pics for your perusal
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